The study you reference was declared fraudulent by a Federal judge.

The definitive studies on smoking were conducted back in the fifties when scientists tried and failed to cause diseases in animals with heavy doses of smoke. Anything that disagrees with these findings is a bald faced lie.

The brutal facts are that smoking is NOT a right but a personal habit.

Other personal habits are spitting, picking your nose, masturbating, and biting your nails. All these are things you may wish to do in private, but not around other people.

You do NOT have any “right” to impose these personal habits on others, or expect others to endure them, or expect others to pay the costs you impose on yourself.

Further, those personal habits are more natural. Smoking is NOT natural. No baby is born with a proclivity to smoke. Lighting up that first cigarette was a free choice of every addict, and it was a very foolish choice. All the consequences of the smoker’s folly should be born by the smoker, not imposed on the rest of us.

Crusaders say a thing that you know isn’t true, in the hope that if you keep on saying it long enough, it will be true.

The objection to ‘Crusaders’ is not that they try to make us think as they do, but that they try to make us do as they think!

38,000 deaths are caused by second-hand smoke??
That is an out and out lie.
If that was the case I am sure they must be able to produce names and death certificates that state.’This person died from second-hand smoke.
No one on this planet ever got cancer or died solely from second-hand smoke.

Http://smokersclubinc.com
http://pasan.thetruthisalie.com

My I see the pro-tobacco group have left a few comments - wonder if they also work for the ID lobby? They seem to have the same tactic - “how could we possibly be wrong”? In fact it appears that “Snowbird” makes this argument - just for the pro-tobacco group.

What I think is funny is that if you suggested we also legalise Marijuana they would be horrified - yet it is not really that different.

For me I live in a place that banned smoking in ANY public place some time back - bars, clubs, etc… its so much nicer to go out and NOT be subjected to someone else’s addiction.

this is a good cross link http://scicurious.wordpress.com/2008/07/01/a-vaccine-against-nicotine-for-smoking-cessation/

“That said, nicotine as a drug is no laughing matter. Aside from the cancers, emphysema, and heart problems associated with long term smoking, nicotine is one of the most addictive drugs out there. It may not have the dramatic addictive effects associated with heroin or meth, but analyzed as number of reinforcements per dose, nicotine averages a whopping ten reinforcements (puffs) per cigarette (that’s average). And the percentage of people who will try nicotine is far higher than any other drug except alcohol. “

It is my ‘right’ to use a legal product

A smoking bans means..It is against the law to use or permit a legal product on ‘private’ property.
Is this the American Way??

The owner has the right to use or permit a legal product on his property.
The customer has the ‘right’ to not enter his venue.
Choices is the name of the game in America

I had to laugh at the poster who doesn’t want to be subjected to someone addiction when he walks into a bar. Do you think you are walking into a Sunday school ice cream social where near beer and Shirley Temples are a little too frisky?

Right……alcohol is just water. Indeed. You never see addicted people in bars when the smokers are gone….right.

Lay some more wisdom on me ding-a-ling.

Drink just a teeny teeny bit too much of this “water” and see if a cop agrees with you when you beg him to not have to walk the line.

Bar are not health spas.

Nannies can stay out. They do anyway whether or not smoking is going on inside or not.
The few nannies out there that actually do walk into these places once in a blue moon can’t sustain these bars’ businesses for long.

The pharma shill pushing the nic vaccine…..

What is this post-Chantix snake oil…already??

Just ask the FAA what they think about Chantix use among their employees.

It is NOT hard to see who the writer is tied to. The RWJF money that bought negative studies and bought the bans with millions of dollars in GRANTS, goes far.

I have to ask:

Since tobacco is in the same FOOD group as broccoli, tomato, potato, green pepper and other foods, ALL containing nicotine, do you have any insight as to when those foods will also be put on the ban list and also outlawed 25 feet from any door? I gather many restaurants had best get prepared.

Anonymous, I believe all those other personal habits people have, are not subject to legalised “theft” tax though.
I also have to ask myself, are these the words of sane men, or dictators, tolerance is a wonderful thing.
http://www.smokersclubinc.com/Page/6100.html
Weyco and Banzhaf

Do you smoke-haters force others to breath in your noxious, carcinogenic perfumes,after-shave and deodrants, in the so called clean air experiment?

Not that I would want them banned!

http://www.ourlittleplace.com/chemicals.html
3. BENZYL ACETATE (in: perfume, cologne, shampoo, fabric softener, stickup air freshener, dishwashing liquid and detergent, soap, hairspray, bleach, after shave, deodorants)
Carcinogenic (linked to pancreatic cancer); “From vapors: irritating to eyes and respiratory passages, exciting cough.” “In mice: hyperanemia of the lungs.” “Can be absorbed through the skin causing systemic effects.” “Do not flush to sewer.”

freedom2choose.info for tolerant non-smokers and smokers alike, please come and join us.

forces.org for those who have not been brainwashed and still have open minds

My father passed away from bladder cancer caused by secondhand smoke. The 38,000 is actually a low number. 3000 are diagnosed with lung cancer caused by secondhand smoke and 50,000 from heart disease. The carbon monxide in smoke is deadly to someone prone to heart disease.
The components of the sidestream smoke coming off the tip of the cigarette are formed at a lower temperature, since oxygen is not being pulled through it, so more cancer causing substances are created at this lower temperature. The smoke is also not being filtered by either the cigarettes filter, nor the smokers body. Compare the color of the smoke coming out a smokers mouth and the color of the smoke coming off the tip of the cigarette–you can see the difference.
For free tips on how to help a loved one quit or to quit yourself, visit: http://www.StopSmokingStayQuit.blogspot.com
VJ Sleight
Queen of Quitting