Vaccines – A Two-Edged Sword




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Recently, I accompanied my sister to a pediatrician’s office — for the first (of many) vaccination appointment for her twin 8-week old girls. Fortunately for my sister, the nightmare ended after a few pokes of the needle and a few throaty bawls of protest. Sadly, not every parent’s ordeal ends the same way. Each day, parents around the world take their children on this routine with faith that this will protect their children against deadly and potentially life threatening infections. But what if this very tool that is intended to protect becomes a lethal source of disability?

The most recent case of a 9-year old female child in Georgia refueled the debate about the link between vaccinations and the onset of neuro-developmental disorders. The child had a pre-existing, but non-symptomatic cellular disorder. However, after a round of vaccinations, she began to demonstrate classic behaviors associated with autistic spectrum disorder. The link between the vaccinations and exacerbation of the pre-existing condition was confirmed in this case. Over the years literature has suggested that the sudden surge of autism to near epidemic proportions may be linked to the high mercury content in some vaccine preparations. I make it a point to read ingredient lists in most of the packaged food products that I purchase (I am positive I am not the only one doing this!) Why then would we accept vials of liquid concoctions being injected into our bodies (or our children’s bodies) with no knowledge of ingredients? Here are some of the buffers, preservatives and fixers used in vaccines in addition to the attenuated virus:

Formaldehyde, Mercury, Aluminum, Antifreeze, Methanol, Phenol, Foreign DNA and even extracts from aborted human fetuses. All of these are certainly toxic, and many of these chemicals have no “minimum” levels that may be deemed “safe.” They are toxic to the human body, period.

In spite of the potential threat, pharmaceutical companies are only manufacturing newer vaccines, for all kinds of syndromes and diseases. The flu vaccine was introduced in 1976, and revived in the 1990’s. For teens, multiple vaccines are available for protection against meningitis, chicken pox, diphtheria — many of these are also available as combinations. The most recent entrant into the vaccine race is the Human Papilloma Virus (HPV) vaccine.

This vaccine, however, offers protection against only 4 strains of HPV viruses — types 16, 18, 6, 11. It should be also be known that the vaccine only may offer protection against viruses possibly causing cause only 70% of cervical cancers. Of course, this is being publicized as the only vaccine that protects against cancer, but the fact that even vaccinated persons may contract cervical cancer is left to the fine print. I would certainly not opt to be injected with those toxins in the vaccines for that kind of “probable protection.” Marketing for the vaccine also conveniently leaves out the fact that abstinence or practicing safe sex will also lead to the same level of protection. The indirect message that this vaccine sends to girls as young as 9 years of age (the recommended age for administering the HPV vaccine) is — hey you can go out and have unprotected sex now, and with the HPV vaccine, you will be protected.

I am not recommending scaring children off sex as an effective educational technique, but come on — tell it as it is. Having a group of happy looking girls say “We don’t want to be just one more statistic” and playing jump rope… seems to me to embellishing a hard truth with unnecessary niceties.

The debate about vaccination is certainly not new, it is an ongoing one; fervent discussions are sporadically sparked by incidents like the one cited earlier. Many communities are voting to not vaccinate their children at all, even in infancy. In all cases where the child has a compromised immune system, doctors do not vaccinate — as vaccination in these children may increase the risk of infection. In some states in the USA, doctors may even grant waivers to parents who refuse vaccination on religious or philosophical grounds. All said and done, as is the case with most issues — gather expert opinion, consider the positive as well as the negative implications of the matter, analyze for possible outcomes, and then make your own decision.

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  • Sam

    “Fervent discussions” are started not by one unfortunate 9-year-old child happening to develop autism after receiving a vaccine, but rather by irresponsible and scientifically unsubstantiated articles such as this one that irresponsibly use circumstantial evidence to fan the flames of parental worries!
    I thought this was a science blog!

  • http://therunman.blogspot.com jypsy

    I thought this was a science blog!

    Me too, guess we were wrong…

  • tia

    Which pharmaceutical company do you two respondents work for?
    The so-called “circumstantial” evidence you refer to can be found in peer-reviewed journals for anyone curious enough to override the tide of pharmaceutical confuscation. The “science” behind vaccines, unfortunately, doesn’t exist. No gold-standard, double-blind ,controlled studies in the last hundred years. (But please, if you find one, send it to me, because I’ve scoured everywhere and have come up empty-handed.)
    Yes, I thought conventional medicine was supposed to be a ‘science’, too. Alas, I was wrong.

  • http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk Sullivan

    Great, someone scoured the bad-science websites and put together a seemingly scientific statement about vaccines. When questioned, the old, “pharma shill” gambit is used as a response.

    As just a small commentary—there is a threshold of toxicity for every substance. It may very by individual, but there is one. For example, formaldehyde–don’t eat a banana. There’s more in a banana than in the vaccine schedule. Don’t eat or drink anything made on earth, because it has mercury in it to some degree.

    And, gosh, HPV only prevents 70% of cancers. Only? If you can’t save everyone, we should let 70% get cancer? What sort of logic is that?

  • Calvin

    several problems here…. Vaccines no longer contain mercury but autism rates keep rising. Also the amount of aluminum contained in the HPV vaccine is similar to the amount of aluminum in a quart of baby formula. No doubt those 8 week old twins are going to drink gallons of formula in their lives, but no one is suggesting that we quit feeding our children because of “toxins.” (see http://www.immunizationinfo.org/issues/vaccine-components/aluminum-adjuvants-vaccines from the National Network for Immunization Information, an unbiased, non pharmaceutical web site for vaccine information.)

    Also “safe sex” is hard to define for HPV. Nearly all sexually active adults will contract an HPV infection during their lifetimes. See http://www.cdc.gov under HPV or search for the ACIP presentations on HPV. The only way really to avoid HPV is never to have sex, or to marry someone who has never been in room naked with someone else. And hope you never get divorced or that your partner strays.

    There is a very good article about this topic in a recent edition of Time magazine. As pointed out in Time, measles is making a comeback in the United States. It is only a matter of time before we start having deaths due to measles in the USA, just like the UK. I don’t want any unvaccinated children around my kids.

  • http://wellbeingandhealth.net/ Evan

    Deep breath folks.

    No one has ever claimed that vaccines are 100% safe (what is?) Or at least no one who knows anything about how medicine and trials are done.

    There are at least two arguments in favour of vaccines.
    1. The damage caused hugely outweighs the costs. This is a callous calculation – but not gaining the benefits is more callous.
    2. Herd immunity. Some bugs need to be eliminated from almost the entire population – or they live on in pockets and then break out into the whold population. This is the argument for mass vaccination.

    A problem with any preventive strategy is that the results are invisible. If you know some old people (say, around 80) get them to talk specifically if they can remember about polio. That every 5th to 10th person on the street doesn’t have some kind of impairment is due to the success of mass vaccination for polio – we just don’t see it, we just see healthy people.

    My problem with the debate on vaccination is the way the debate is framed. Trading off individuals against the larger population seems unethical. I wish I could think of another way of discussing it.

  • Laura

    Glad to find the majority of responses defending vaccines and not bashing them. Totally agree that using the verbage “toxins” to frighten people is ridiculous. We can bet that Pharma parents and vaccine researchers alike get their children vaccinated- this should be proof enough that this is not a conspiracy….nor are they administering unsafe levels of “toxins”!

    Until the world stops relying on anecdotal evidence……One day at a time!!

    P.S. It is too bad that we are so spoiled by not having endured an epidemic of previously common diseases that this new group of “educated” typically middle class neurotics want to put all our kids at risk by their refusal to vaccinate.

  • Auntie Em

    Foreign DNA is toxic? Damn, I’d better stop eating fruit, vegetables and meat then.

  • Sayer Ji

    Vaccination is not safe, nor effective. Science demonstrates the veracity of this statement, over and over again. Statistics show that vaccination has not lead to a dramatic reduction in say, measles, or polio – but that preceding the advent of vaccines for these conditions, levels had dropped precipitously thanks to better hygiene and water purification. To the contrary, measles is now a growing threat because vaccination disables the innate mechanism by which measles is permanently eliminated from the body, transforming what would be an acute disease into a chronic one.

    And to the critics of anecdotal evidence – the death or permanent disabling of a child (lets say, your child), when followed by an obvious, singular cause: vaccination, can not be dismissed because the tragedy did not occur within the context of a large, double-blind clinical trial. Claiming that drawing a connection between life-altering negative side effects and vaccination is “unscientific” obviates the lack of commonsense involved in believing that injecting disease entities into healthy bodies to defend that body from disease is a sound medical practice. Are there no naturopaths left in the world? Allopathic medicine (toximolecular) began with this selfsame presupposition: that treating the body with sublethal dosages of toxic substances is a sane practice. What nonsense! It is Big Pharma, and not “Good Science” that many of you unwittingly defend with your misplaced criticisms.

  • tia

    Yes, take a big breath, indeed. First, the “bad science websites” include the archives of JAMA, NEJM, Lancet, CDC, FDA and Medscape. Still no sign of a double-blind, placebo study for vaccines…..EVER. (The academicians claim that would be “unethical”, despite thousands of parents who would willingly volunteer their children for the placebo group.)

    Second, do your own homework on the amount of mercury in vaccines, still. Despite the tired journalistic phrase “it’s been removed”, it has not. Thimerisol is still used in the manufacturing process, and if you ask the CDC how much is still there, they defer to the FDA. The FDA (who should know, right?) defer to the manufacturer. The manufacturer(s) refuse to answer the question. Go ahead, ask. But you won’t get an answer. What IS noteworthy is that they have never been ‘required’ to remove the toxic matter, and although they have lowered the amounts, reluctantly, the old stocks with full mercury content stayed on the shelves for several years afterward. That might explain the continuing rise in neurological dysfunction afterward. “scientists”?

    Third, call it a greed-based conspiracy if you like, and bear this in mind: An anonymous study conducted by Van Breda revealed that fewer than 30% of practicing pediatricians adhere to the CDC’s recommended vaccine schedule when it comes to their OWN children. Apparently, ordinary parents aren’t ‘smart enough’ to decide if their children should be injected ad nauseum, but there’s some degree of genius required to inoculate OTHER people’s children. And whether vaccine manufacturers adhere to the schedule when it comes to their own children, I don’t know….and neither do you. Surely you don’t think they’d make that information public, considering the harassment that parents who don’t ‘comply’ face nowadays.

    It should give one pause to know that Jock Doublday’s standing cash offer (now at >$180.000 and growing by $5,000 every month) has never been seized by any medical doctor who administers vaccines, nor any pharmaceutical board member (CEO or otherwise). All they’re required to do is publicly consume a weight-adjusted dose of the preservatives/adjuvants contained in the CDC’s recommendation for 6 yr-old children. Might just ask yourself, if these vaccines are so safe, WHY no takers? Surely they could use a bit of cold cash.

  • HCN

    tia said “t should give one pause to know that Jock Doublday’s standing cash offer (now at >$180.000 and growing by $5,000 every month) has never been seized by any medical doctor who administers vaccines, nor any pharmaceutical board member (CEO or otherwise). All they’re required to do is publicly consume a weight-adjusted dose of the preservatives/adjuvants contained in the CDC’s recommendation for 6 yr-old children. Might just ask yourself, if these vaccines are so safe, WHY no takers? Surely they could use a bit of cold cash.”

    Bullshit. If you read the contract:
    http://www.spontaneouscreation.org/SC/ContractPartA.htm … you will find lots requirements from reading a bunch of stupid books (after buying them), submitting to exams… etc, etc… Some here:
    Requirements for Participant Eligibility:

    A. Psychiatric Evaluations……

    B. Mental Health Records….

    C. Email Examination….

    D. Book Purchase….l…, Participant agrees to obtain at Participant’s cost the following recently published books (the “Books”):..

    E. Written Examination…Participant agrees to take a written closed-book examination (the “Exam”) administered by Coordinator or his agent within 60 (sixty) days of the signing of the Agreement-in-full. …

    F. Good Health Certification….

    …. a bunch more silly stuff…

    Participant Donations:… plus give more money!

    …. It is a bogus challenge….

  • tia

    Why, with all the points offered up, selectively challenge the Doubleday offer? I’d love to get some intelligent feedback about the glaring lack of viable vaccine research as everyone touts their (bogus) presumptive ‘miraculous effect on the human family’.

    Bogus: def. “counterfeit or fake.” The Doubleday offer is neither. The offer requires that the participant engage in INFORMED CONSENT–a legal requirement for all invasive medical procedures, INCLUDING vaccine. Never mind that vaccinators never comply with this forgotten law–apparently Doubleday has a conscience. He simply wants the participants to understand what they’re signing up for. And frankly, even if he didn’t ‘require’ anything, he probably couldn’t find any takers. Besides, what’s unreasonable about submitting to a mental health screening prior to voluntarily ingesting lethal toxins? And for almost $200,000 cash, what would be so unreasonable about reading some informative material, the cost of which would barely put a dent in the total? As for donations, those are strictly voluntary and have nothing whatsoever to do with the ‘participant’. Nothing wrong with profits, right?–just note the enormous profits of pharmaceutical interests who shove their products down little baby’s throats WITHOUT INFORMED CONSENT.

    Attention anyone who qualifies to be the participant–Perhaps your participation could put this argument to rest? However, the offer has been around since 2001, and although 14 qualified participants have made inquiry–SO FAR NO TAKERS. WHY? Because they have to verify their mental health status? Because they’d have to do some reading? Please enlighten me.

  • http://www.thefaeryinn.blogspot.com Faerylandmom

    I don’t know enough about this issue to leave much of a comment. All I konw is this: That I don’t know enough about vaccines to feel comfortable allowing my children to get poked on a regular basis. My biggest problem is that I don’t even know where to start looking for truly unbiased, research-based, evidence-based information on vaccines. Period.

    If I can find that, then I’ll be reading up…

    Until then, I’m letting my conscience be my guide, and am not going to vaccinate my children until I KNOW FOR SURE that there is not only no harm in doing so, but that it is morally, ethically, scientifically, and verifiably RIGHT to do so. I don’t have that assurance. Yet. And, I must say, I genuinely hope I do someday.

  • Herd Rebel

    Faerylandmom:
    If I may suggest, purchase the book “Vaccine Safety Manual” recently released in April from Neil Z. Miller. This book goes into the diseases and the vaccinations. There ARE some emotional writings in this book (in fairness of full disclosure) but it is loaded with a bunch of studies! I’m about 3/4 into this book and have realized just how we’ve all been duped regarding vaccinations. You can purchase the book through Amazon, it’s about 20.00 including shipping. I can’t recommend this book enough.

  • Herd Rebel

    This will be a 3 part reply. I couldn’t figure out why this wouldn’t post a couple days ago, but perhaps it was too long. I’m going to try and separate it.

    Part I: (Studies will follow in parts II and III)

    It’s amazing how pro vaccinators talk about science yet when asked to produce science that vaccinations either eradicated or put diseases on a decline, the science is missing. Science on the other hand has demonstrated severe adverse events with vaccinations (below).

    It’s also ironic that the developer of Gardasil who spent over 20 years developing the vaccine is against the “mandate” of requiring this for young girls.

    I also find it odd with the talk of vaccines that production is never discussed. Can anyone please explain the following:

    1. Viral Contamination during commercial vaccine prodction.
    2. Nanobacteria.
    3. Bovine pestivirus detection, or lack of screening for such.
    4. Immortal cells used in vaccine culture.
    5. Cross contamination of cell lines.
    6. “Other” species viral contamination.

    Please direct me to the safety data as it relates to these very real issues surrounding vaccine production.

    After you are done with this, can you please explain the studies linking aluminum to Alzheimer’s and Formaldahyde to Lou Gehrigs’? I don’t need to mention mercury or thimerosol (still in vaccines) this has already been covered.

  • Herd Rebel

    Part II:

    Studies (This is not a complete nor an exhaustive list):

    1. Aluminum is established as a neurotoxin, although the basis for its toxicity is unknown. It recently has been shown to alter the function of the blood-brain barrier (BBB), which regulates exchanges between the central nervous system (CNS) and peripheral circulation. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2671833?dopt=Citatio n

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    Study looked at Anthroposophic children (children raised with restrictive use of vaccines, antibiotics and animal products). Compared those children with mainstream children in prevalence of allergies. Anthroposophic children had a far less prevalence of atopic diseases in childhood.

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    Abstract: In 784 DT and 15,752 DTP immunizations given to children 0 to 6 years of age who were prospectively studied for reactions occurring within 48 hours following immunization, minor reactions were significantly more frequent following DTP vaccine. The ratio of reaction rates associated with DTP and DT immunizations (DTP/DT) for selected local and systemic reactions was as follows: local redness, 37.4%/7.6%; local swelling, 40.7%/7.6%; pain, 50.9%/9.9%; fever, 31.5%/14.9%; drowsiness, 31.5%/14.9%; fretfulness, 53.4%/22.6%; vomiting, 6.2%/2.6%; anorexia, 20.9%/7.0% and persistent crying, 3.1%/0.7%. Following DTP immunization nine children developed convulsions and nine developed hypotonic hyporesponsive episodes. No sequelae were detected following these reactions. Volume 68, Issue 5, pp. 650-660, 11/01/1981.

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    Abstract: In 784 DT and 15,752 DTP immunizations given to children 0 to 6 years of age who were prospectively studied for reactions occurring within 48 hours following immunization, minor reactions were significantly more frequent following DTP vaccine. The ratio of reaction rates associated with DTP and DT immunizations (DTP/DT) for selected local and systemic reactions was as follows: local redness, 37.4%/7.6%; local swelling, 40.7%/7.6%; pain, 50.9%/9.9%; fever, 31.5%/14.9%; drowsiness, 31.5%/14.9%; fretfulness, 53.4%/22.6%; vomiting, 6.2%/2.6%; anorexia, 20.9%/7.0% and persistent crying, 3.1%/0.7%. Following DTP immunization nine children developed convulsions and nine developed hypotonic hyporesponsive episodes. No sequelae were detected following these reactions. Volume 68, Issue 5, pp. 650-660, 11/01/1981.

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  • Herd Rebel

    Part III:

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  • Herd Rebel

    And then vaccine enthusiasts… after you’re done addressing the studies and questions, perhaps you can explain the GAO’s report of less than 3% of adverse events are reported. As one looks at the VAERS adverse events data is it safe to assume that we have not seen all the problems associated with vaccinations or the true numbers of adverse events? I believe so. And can anyone point me to the study of long-term studies of adverse events? (please try to refrain from any ghost-studies – which has contributed to 80% of the studies that are public. Also, please try to refrain from studies from or sponsored or paid by the manufacturer).

  • HCN

    Sorry, you included a whale.to link… you automatically lose due to Scopie’s Law:
    http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2008/06/the_nuttiness_that_is_whaleto.php

    That is all the energy you are all worth, since there is no way to take you seriously (and that also goes for pulling out the bogus Jock Doubleday challenge).

  • Herd Rebel

    I see…. because you see something cited you don’t agree with you disregard everything. With all due respect, how to expect to know the opposition when you don’t learn it? I hope you’re ready to discuss the association of Aluminum and Formaldahyde to Lou Gehrig’s and Alzheimer’s (that’s not from a “whale link” by the way). How about discussing the University of Calvary’s study leading to the distruction of brain neurons from mercury. That’s not “whale” either.

  • Herd Rebel

    With all due respect HCN, you’re showing exactly why parents are questioning. Where are your studies by the way into safety and efficacy? Where are your studies to prove vaccinations declined and/or eradicated diseases? I’ll be anxiously awaiting!

  • Herd Rebel

    And HCN, I see you chose to ignore this, so let me repost it:

    I also find it odd with the talk of vaccines that production is never discussed. Can anyone please explain the following:

    1. Viral Contamination during commercial vaccine prodction.
    2. Nanobacteria.
    3. Bovine pestivirus detection, or lack of screening for such.
    4. Immortal cells used in vaccine culture.
    5. Cross contamination of cell lines.
    6. “Other” species viral contamination.

    Please direct me to the safety data as it relates to these very real issues surrounding vaccine production.

  • Herd Rebel

    Also HCN, I see that you missed the part about the GAO findings on the adverse events reporting. Care to respond?

  • Calvin

    I am not sure exactly where this thread is going…. but to answer an earlier concern about the quality of science behind vaccination recommendations, the HPV vaccine prospective randomized placebo controlled trials have been published in Lancet and New England Journal of Medicine in 2007.

    I think the same is true for the rotavirus vaccine or any other recently approved vaccine.

  • Herd Rebel

    To understand the “quality” of “science” behind Gardasil – read Dr. Harper’s review (the inventor) about it.
    The below explains it from Harper’s point of view. If you want more, just do a simple search.

    http://www24.euthenist.org

  • tia

    Looks like HCN might just be a hack-blogger for some vested vaccine interest….undoubtedly not the parent of an injured child who has scrambled to catch up however possible. Certainly not interested in the facts, just the dogma…because he/she’s a “scientist”. ( I’m a doctor, for what it’s worth, and no, I don’t administer vaccines. Surprised?)

  • Herd Rebel

    Thanks for your contributions Tia, you opened the forum. HCN, I’m not sure what he/she is, but when the facts are not on ones side, one goes crawling with the tail between thy legs.
    I don’t have a vaccine injured child, but I was injured by a vaccine myself prior to having children which is what made me begin to research all vaccines. I was deceived. It was hard to admit as I considered myself to be smart but I was deceived. Hell if I would let it happen to my children.

  • tia

    And thank you, Herd Rebel, for making the world safer for YOUR children. I spend my days trying to help children recover from the ravages of vaccine injury. Some of them are learning to speak again. Some are able to make eye contact and have a conversation with their peers. Others are celebrating their first normal bowel movement since they went “away”.
    Whether the general public will ever wake from their deep, hypnotic love affair with all-things-pharmaceutical, there will always be those who dig a little deeper than mainstream thought. They are the saviors. They are the visionaries. Perhaps their numbers are risng.
    Better-living-through-chemistry is sheer laziness, as every drug (including, and maybe most especially, vaccines) are mere half-baked replicas of substances our bodies produce on their own IF ONLY they’re given the opportunity. Few understand, but it sounds like you’ve learned to trust your gut , do the research and follow your head….(and the money, of course). That makes my day.

    (Oh, and HCN, I’m sure this conversation is much too trivial for a “scientist” such as yourself. Just for fun, before I go to work today, I think I’ll go read whale….I’ll probably even learn something.)

  • Herd Rebel

    Tia: I have a vaccine injured cousin and nephew (autism). Unfortunately, my family only listened after they experienced the effects. They no longer vaccinate, either. I understand (though not directly) the trials that one goes through with a vaccine injured child. It takes a strong person to not go insane (pending the level of severity). Sounds like you got yourself one tough job – though I’m sure at times it can also be rewarding. What I find highly ironic is that this all started with the smallpox vaccine and everyone is so sure it eradicated smallpox. In reading Miller’s book and looking at history, one can see the deceipt started from the very beginning.
    The lies are so wide that it’s actually quite magnificent on how everyone plays along. People think vaccines are mandated for school entry so they pump their chlidren up with all these lovely neurotoxins so they can get into a public school. LIE!!! People think all these diseases are sooo deadly as what has been portrayed via media, doctors, FDA, NIH, CDC, WHO… LIE!!!!
    It’s just completely mind boggling.
    Enjoy the whale site – I find it quite interesting, myself!

  • tia

    Dr. Sherry Tenpenny’s theory is that if mainstream medicine dares to question ‘vaccine wisdom’, they will be forced to re-think ALL general medical stratagies—and the house of cards will tumble. There’s not much danger of the public catching on anytime soon, as they’re largely ‘sheeple’, as demonstrated by some of the less thoughtful comments on this blog. Neil Miller is one of my heroes–brilliant Mensa mind, and a tireless researcher. I’ve found that parents vaccinate for two primary reasons: 1) they believe they HAVE to (governmental regulations, you know) and 2) they’re afraid NOT to, due to the purely made-up numbers of “lives saved” through mass innoculation. The media is bought and paid for by the very people who have the most to gain through the lie. It’s amazing, you’re right. And for a really interesting exercise, investigate the revolving door for employees who surf between the CDC, FDA, and the pharmaceutical industry. It’ll put chills up your spine.
    My mother’s parents were vaccine ‘rebels’ in the early ’20’s. My parents were rebels in the ’50’s. I, too, am a rebel and the parent of a 33 yr-old in vibrant health who’s NEVER HAD A VACCINE. I guess that makes me, what—‘unscientific’? Call it what you will, but when I look into the faces of children who will never have a normal life because their parents simply didn’t know….I’ll let people call me whatever they like. Someday, the world will look back on this barbarism and shake their heads in disbelief. I hope it’s sooner than later.

  • Herd Rebel

    LOL – I know too well of the revolving door of FDA/NIH and Pharma… if you really want to have some fun…. try looking at Government officials and DoD being involved in that revolving door. That’s where the fun really begins!
    I neither care what people call me – the truth is what it is.
    My children are little tots and are vaccine free – and I’d put my life up to theirs before anyone comes at them with a syringe!
    Given that you’re older, Tia, have you been paying attention to any of the “biodefense” bills? ie., Project Bioshield, MSHEPA, EUA? That’s what gives me willies! Not to mention the AAP’s latest shenanigan! But myself and children see a holistic doctor so it doesn’t effect me, but it’s the lengths that these organizations/government is going to that makes my head spin.

  • tia

    How ironic to address these issues on the anniversary of our “independence”, as we see our former freedoms slip further and further away by mere default. I clearly recall the era of the cold war, fear of communism, the polio epidemic and the post-war optimism which spurred the baby boom. IF ONLY making personal choices were as simple as finding a holistic doctor, but I fear that as we entertain ourselves with 200+ tv channels, video games and the internet, dark forces lurk in the shadows. delighted at our distraction. Along with the MSHEPA, EUA, and AAP (whataloada crap), consider the Gates Foundation, genetically modified foods (aka Monsanto), and an upcoming presidential election that merely offers up opportunities for more of the same governmental back-scratching. The biodefense bills, along with billions of $$ toward a bogus ‘bird flu epidemic’ has all the hallmarks of a culture primed for implosion. (Apathy, greed, power-mongering and ignorance are a frightening combination.) Not only do these horrifying federal mandates take choices out of our hands–they place those choices in the capricious hands of others who have no appreciation for our history or our former struggles. Most average citizens have no idea that with the stroke of a pen, our most fundamental freedoms have been taken from us. Freedom to choose what goes into our bodies–is there anything more fundamental? These new laws entitle authorities to “round up” dissenters, lock them away and punish them for noncompliance to rules they had no voice in making. They’re also given the authority to decide what constitutes an “emergency” for which these rules can be applied. In addition, some vested interests are free to hoist their own unproven, untested, potentially deadly “devices” onto unsuspecting citizens with no liability or responsibility for outcomes. All in the name of “security”. Well, I, for one, don’t feel secure. Perhaps if this fervent battle over vaccines has an up-side, it’s that thousands of parents will forever look at institutional mandates with a keener eye. Maybe there are just enough victims to create a tipping point, where the culture will no longer quietly accept that ‘authorities’ should call the shots…pardon the pun.

  • Herd Rebel

    We have a lot in common. I pay “little attention” to GMF’s (bad I know, but there’s only so much time in a day). A girlfriend of mine in ID is however all over this.
    Detainees… ah…. you mean the concentration camps. (you can use that terminology with me; it is what it is).
    I too feel sorry for the majority, they are clueless… at the same time, there’s also things going on right now to detract the attention, I’m not sure however if there wasn’t if things would be any different. Many people need things spoon fed, and there’s no doubt some of the above are very complex.
    I’d like to talk to you off forum, and the easiest way I can think of without exposing email information is to direct you to this link which you may find of interest anyway (it sort of goes along with what the topic has been switched to (ie., lack of freedom).

    If you feel inclined, go here and leave a message – it may take me a couple days, but I’ll for sure find you then I can email you.

    http://forums.ivillage.com/t5/Current-Debates/Catching-Wild-Pigs/m-p/21725046

    By the way, Happy Independence Day! (whatever that means anymore).

  • Herd Rebel

    Also, regarding the “Presidential Elect” (ughhh….) don’t blame me – I was a RP supporter to the hill! The two major left-overs don’t really matter, either one is going to screw this country further and a Republic? What’s that??

  • tia

    Since my vote is supposed to represent who I think would best serve my priorities, I will write in my candidate, Ron Paul. After all, the election isn’t about guessing who’s most “popular” and jumping onboard, right?
    I’m a little unclear about what to do once I get to iVillage–tried it, but where to go from there? Please advise. I’d love to chat more, as you have some great resources, and I’m always looking for more info re: these subjects.
    Yes, happy independence to all….if only everyone was well-informed enough to know what that could actually mean.

  • Herd Rebel

    I’m writing in RP, too. Once at Ivillage, (sorry, I’ve been signed in for awhile and I’m having to go from memory) – but look for a link titled forums or parenting and pregnancy. From there there’s going to be a lot of forums that should appear on the left. The above particular string (sorry that was a comment I sent you to, not the actual article) appears under “Current Debates” and is titled “Catching a wild pig”. (or something close to that). If you can find the Current Debates, you may have to click the ‘more’ to bring up that link.
    If you still can’t find it, tomorrow when I have more time, I’ll go back and do it step by step so I can direct a little better. I think you’ll like some of these forums if we can get you there.

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  • Heraclides

    Where to start. So much wrong in one post!

    “Formaldehyde, Mercury, Aluminum, Antifreeze, Methanol, Phenol, Foreign DNA and even extracts from aborted human fetuses.” There is no formaldehyde or anti-freeze in any vaccine (these two are widespread myths). There is no metallic mercury, the but there was (not past tense) thimerosal, an organic compound that contains bound mercury ion. There is no metallic aluminium, but there is in some vaccine aluminium hydroxside in very small amounts, to serve as a local stimulant to the immune system. There are no “extracts from aborted human fetuses”, this comes from a twisted version of the truth: cell lines are used to “grow” the viruses used in preparing vaccines; these cell lines in some cases were originally developed from a small number of aborted human fetuses (many years ago; cell lines can be grown for a long once developed). Methanol and phenol in tiny amounts wouldn’t do anything to you (as they say, the dose makes the toxin; it’d take LOT more to make these toxic).

    And that’s just one sentence!

  • Nya

    Herd Rebel,

    In response to your studies citing adverse events, no one has ever claimed that vaccines are 100% safe. Read the package insert – it has a complete list of side effects. Not being 100% safe does not mean that most children shouldn’t be vaccinated. Vaccine preventable diseases killed millions of children in days past, and continue to kill millions of children around the world. Those who are not killed are often left with permanent health problems from these diseases. If you’re not familiar with risk-benefit analysis, I suggest you learn about it.

    Sayer, you said “Vaccination is not safe, nor effective. Science demonstrates the veracity of this statement, over and over again.”
    Please cite the studies claiming that vaccination is not effective, or that it is not largely safe. And no, citing a study that shows an incredibly small rate of side effects does not mean that vaccination is not largely safe.

    “Statistics show that vaccination has not lead to a dramatic reduction in say, measles, or polio – but that preceding the advent of vaccines for these conditions, levels had dropped precipitously thanks to better hygiene and water purification.”
    Yes, disease levels did drop due to sanitation. But they did not drop to zero. There are obvious precipitous drops immediately after the advent of certain vaccinations. If you have different statistics, cite them.

    “To the contrary, measles is now a growing threat because vaccination disables the innate mechanism by which measles is permanently eliminated from the body, transforming what would be an acute disease into a chronic one.”

    Again, please cite a source for this claim. I doubt you’ll find one, since the exact opposite is true. Some vaccine preventable diseases are making a comeback, because of a drop in vaccination rates due to the kind of fearmongering you, Herd Rebel, and tia are engaging in.

    And tia? “a doctor, for what it’s worth”? No, you’re obviously a liar.

  • Herd Rebel

    Are you kidding me? Yes, I realize no vaccines are 100% safe (unless it’s the vaccine not given). Can you tell me if my child will react to one or not? Can you tell me the mortality rate of diseases prior to vaccine introduction once water sanitation laws were passed, sanitation education began and living crowding conditions improved? I’ve read the product inserts. And that’s one of the reasons why I say “thanks but no thanks”. When you can tell me “which” children should be vaccinated, I’d be all ears given that trials are done on healthy individuals (no underlying disorder or family history of genetic dispositions) as well as follow-up for long term effects consisting of less than one month, do we need to go into the manipulation of the numbers of participants? Given the cumulating affects of neurotoxins with each vaccination can one adequately discharge this from the body (difference between ingestion vs. injection)? What are the effects on the BBB with each neurotoxin? What are the effects on the immune system? What are the effects given that diseases are being “injected” into the blood stream (eventually) and bypassing the natural route of exposure? Give me a break.

    Killing “millions of children around the world”… Yes, they are. Try the 3rd world countries. Perhaps if more emphasis is placed on sanitation, nutrition, education, water purification, living conditions, we’d see those diseases decline, just like what happened in the US. I’m familiar with the “risk-benefit analysis”. Again, are you kidding me? Study your history. You’ll see diseases were on the decline, in some cases by 90% via mortality prior to vaccinations. In some cases where no vaccinations exist, the disease became eradicated. Wonder how that happened?

    Where is the science that vaccinations are safe and effective? I can provide multitude of the AE’s of the safety. Regarding “efficacy” given that a study was also done stating titres nor antibodies means immunity, I’d love to see what you have on “efficacy”. Yawn…..

    Oh… make sure it’s not part of the 80% of ghost-written studies as per JAMA.

    The problem with you stating “levels did not drop to zero” until vaccinations is that man intervened. We can’t go back into history and see if we just left it alone what would have transpired. Given that diseases were on their way out, (again, some cases by 90%) we should have just left it alone….
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    Herd Rebel,

    In response to your studies citing adverse events, no one has ever claimed that vaccines are 100% safe. Read the package insert – it has a complete list of side effects. Not being 100% safe does not mean that most children shouldn’t be vaccinated. Vaccine preventable diseases killed millions of children in days past, and continue to kill millions of children around the world. Those who are not killed are often left with permanent health problems from these diseases. If you’re not familiar with risk-benefit analysis, I suggest you learn about it.

    Sayer, you said “Vaccination is not safe, nor effective. Science demonstrates the veracity of this statement, over and over again.”
    Please cite the studies claiming that vaccination is not effective, or that it is not largely safe. And no, citing a study that shows an incredibly small rate of side effects does not mean that vaccination is not largely safe.

    “Statistics show that vaccination has not lead to a dramatic reduction in say, measles, or polio – but that preceding the advent of vaccines for these conditions, levels had dropped precipitously thanks to better hygiene and water purification.”
    Yes, disease levels did drop due to sanitation. But they did not drop to zero. There are obvious precipitous drops immediately after the advent of certain vaccinations. If you have different statistics, cite them.

    “To the contrary, measles is now a growing threat because vaccination disables the innate mechanism by which measles is permanently eliminated from the body, transforming what would be an acute disease into a chronic one.”

    Again, please cite a source for this claim. I doubt you’ll find one, since the exact opposite is true. Some vaccine preventable diseases are making a comeback, because of a drop in vaccination rates due to the kind of fearmongering you, Herd Rebel, and tia are engaging in.

    And tia? “a doctor, for what it’s worth”? No, you’re obviously a liar.

  • Herd Rebel

    Heraclides:
    There is none of the below in vaccinations? Hmm… you should probably write manufacturer’s and have them change their inserts then. Thimerosol is still well and alive in vaccinations. Yes, you “can” get them thimerosol free, that’s assuming someone knows enough to “ask” for it. Geez.
    Regardless of how “small” the amount is (which we’re guessing on at taking the manufacturer’s word for) but even if it was “minute”. NO level of injection is “safe” that has been proven, not to mention the accumulation factor.
    I believe regarding aborted fetus’s, I used the terminology cell lines. If I used something else, I apologize. Regardless, it’s still part of the human body from aborted fetus’s. Disregard that however you may.
    Tell me… as you “stimuli” the immune system, perhaps you can explain what this is doing to the body, given that no one else seems to completely understand it. I’d like to know all the affects.
    Please show me as well via studies what it is a human being can have via toxins a level of “safety” via injections. There is a difference between inhaled, ingested and injected. Show me the peer-reviewed study from a non-biased group that’s not ghost-written.
    So much wrong in one post? I don’t think so.

    —————————————————————————————–
    Where to start. So much wrong in one post!

    “Formaldehyde, Mercury, Aluminum, Antifreeze, Methanol, Phenol, Foreign DNA and even extracts from aborted human fetuses.” There is no formaldehyde or anti-freeze in any vaccine (these two are widespread myths). There is no metallic mercury, the but there was (not past tense) thimerosal, an organic compound that contains bound mercury ion. There is no metallic aluminium, but there is in some vaccine aluminium hydroxside in very small amounts, to serve as a local stimulant to the immune system. There are no “extracts from aborted human fetuses”, this comes from a twisted version of the truth: cell lines are used to “grow” the viruses used in preparing vaccines; these cell lines in some cases were originally developed from a small number of aborted human fetuses (many years ago; cell lines can be grown for a long once developed). Methanol and phenol in tiny amounts wouldn’t do anything to you (as they say, the dose makes the toxin; it’d take LOT more to make these toxic).

    And that’s just one sentence!

  • http://wellbeingandhealth.net/ Evan

    Hi Herd Rebel,

    1. As you say (between the lines I think) the herd versus the individual is an appalling trade off. One of the discussions that needs to be had is the kinds of moral argument that this discussion is framed in.

    2. There are pretensions to individualising medicine by those who are into DNA engineering and such. My guess is that this will never be affordable for most people (if it does turn out to be possible). At the moment I think it is just boosterism.

    3. We all take on danger for the sake of others. The survivalist option doesn’t really work.

    4. The efficacy of vaccination in my view was shown in Australia (where I’m from). Vaccination was introduced where clean drinking water and hygiene already existed. The number of cases of polio fell markedly. Primary health care is of course the first concern. But vaccination, in some cases, can also save lives. And yes there will have been adverse reactions.

    5. The concern for safety for individuals isn’t addressed in this way of discussion. And it can’t be addressed by modern medicine – which relies on statistical analysis of medicines given to a diverse range of people. (This – often called – a ‘gold standard’ I find crass.) Modern medicine is about the odds and averages. Outrageous and immoral perhaps but this is the way it is done.

  • http://yourdailydoctor.blogspot.com/ Dr. Ajoy Laskar

    Doctors call for antibiotics to treat our disease. Antibiotics shoo the bacteria away and make us well, but alas! For the time being only. They cannot repair our ‘broken wall’.
    Our deficiency in defense remains the same or even worsens. Only vaccins can strengthen our defense, but they have not been developed for every agent causing disease, and it seems impractical to vaccinate a persom against thousands of bacteria, viruses, parasites and other non-organic disease agents.
    Why should we not concentrate on increasing our defense by methods developed on natural LAW OF CURE ? This law is unknown in modern medicine or worse even, totally ignored. Can you imagine a science not developed on natural law? Yes, there’s only one, Pharmaco therapy in modern medicine. Though I’m a grsduate of modern medicine and have to practise it, absence of law of cure and rules of drug therapy based on nature’s way always haunts me. just read my awful story and you will come to realize it.

  • http://www.findrehabnow.com Rehab Mommy

    Introduction

    The number of children being diagnosed with autism is rising at an alarming rate. This increase is shown in The Brunei Times, in an article written by Todd Mcpherson, a private psychologist at Brunei’s Riverview Medical Center. He states that during the 1970s the incidence of autism disorders was about 2 to 3 cases per 10,000 people; however, after research in 2007, autism is now said to affect 1 in 150 people (Mcpherson 2). An article written by Miranda Hitti on behalf of the National Center on Birth Defects and Developmental Disabilities, CDC, agrees with Todd Mcpherson. A study conducted in 14 states found that the rate of autism was in fact, 1 in 150 amongst the 8-year olds that they studied (Hitti 1) ? period Miranda Hitti quotes, in her article “CDC: 1 in 150 Kids May Have Autism,” Yeargin-Allsopp, who heads the Developmental Disabilities branch of the CDC, stating that, “[Autism Spectrum Disorders are an] urgent public health issue that affects the lives of many families and communities” (Hitti 1-2). This rising rate has caused many researchers to start looking for answers on what are the actual causes of autism. In order to examine a cause, one must know what autism is. Autism is a broad generality for what are a couple different disorders that fall into a range which is correctly classified as the Autism Spectrum Disorders. The disorders are listed and described by Dr. Wendy Stone, co-director of the Treatment and Research Institute for Autism Spectrum Disorders at the Vanderbilt Kennedy Center, in her book, “Does My Child Have Autism? A Parent’s Guide to Early Detection and Intervention in Autism Spectrum Disorders,” as, “Autistic Disorder, Asperser’s Disorder, Rett’s Disorder, Childhood Disintegrative Disorder, and Pervasive Developmental Disorder Not Otherwise Specified (PDDNOS). Children within the range of Autism Spectrum Disorders show impairments across a number of developmental areas, including difficulty with social interactions, disordered language development, and repetitive activities and behaviors.” (Stone 1-2) Charlotte Penman, a behavior analyst and co-found of Butterfly Effects, a therapy company dedicated to the treatment of autistic children, describes how the severity of these impairments can vary depending on where the child sits on the Autism Spectrum range. This can go from one end of a high functioning autistic person, who can even complete college, all the way to a very severe case which is called ASD IV where a child may never speak or even be potty trained (Penman). A diagnosis of autism means a lifelong of developmental treatment and therapy; because, as of right now, no cure is known. (Mcpherson 1).
    Like with autism, no family wants to have their child diagnosed with any type of disease. That is why mandatory vaccine laws were put in place by the US government. The CRS Report for Congress, written by a Legislative Attorney, Angie Welborn, regarding the mandatory laws maps out the current laws that are in place. Most state laws require children have proof of their completed immunizations in order to attend both school and daycare. The ability to decide on the correct actions and laws regarding this is the responsibility of the state and local governments. Therefore, some states may differ in their own laws, but this is the consensus (Welborn 1-2). The CDC states in their article, “How Vaccines Prevent Disease,” that, “disease prevention is the key to public health.” Summarizing the article, the CDC goes on to explain how vaccines do in fact, protect the individual from contracting the disease that he or she is vaccinated for and also states that by immunizing the spread of major spread of disease is impossible (CDC 2). Barbara Loe Fisher, co-founder and president of the National Vaccine Information Center, who is avid in describing the risks of vaccines, does not dispute the efficiency of preventing those diseases. She states in her paper “Shots in the Dark” that, “Not only have deaths from the most common childhood infections been almost eliminated, but also so have the devastating morbidities of diseases like measles, paralytic polio, and congenital rubella” (Fisher 2). The question that is currently being researched is not whether or not vaccines are effective, but whether or not vaccines, or some component of them, can trigger or cause some other type of disorder. There is growing evidence that childhood vaccines might be linked to the rising rate of autism. The research is currently being done and no clear defined answers have been made. This paper will show that modifications of the existing vaccine protocol may be indicated.
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    Methods

    To research articles on this ongoing issue, I started off at the Terrebonne Parish Library. I read two books that were about raising children with autism. One was “Does My Child have Autism? A Parent’s Guide to Early Detection and Intervention in Autism Spectrum Disorders” by Dr. Wendy L. Stone; and the other was “Unraveling the Mystery of Autism and Pervasive Developmental Disorder: A Mother’s Story of Research & Recovery” written by the mother of an autistic child, Karyn Seroussi. Realizing only the devastation that autism can bring to a family and a basic definition of the disorder, I found that I would have to find more recently published studies and articles in order to find information on the topic of the link between vaccinations and autism. Charlotte Penman, a behavior analyst who has been working in the field of autism for six years, is who I conducted a phone interview with. She was very helpful in defining autism and the features associated with it, describing treatment options, and answering questions regarding the diagnosis process. As helpful as this was, she was still unable to help me with answering questions regarding the ongoing studies. She did however; introduce me to a researcher in the field, who studies the diet that is recommended for children diagnosed with autism, Dr. Patricia Jenkins. Dr. Jenkins was able to steer me to sites on the internet that had credible, up-to-date information that allowed me to know both sides of the debate. Before talking with her, it was very difficult for me to find any credible sites on the topic. I received bits of information al from different sources. The National Center on Birth Defects and Developmental Disabilities was an informative source for the facts on vaccines and the statistics of the autism cases. Other than that I visited other online medical sites and two newspaper sites. The most helpful portion of my research was one website, Mercola.com; the articles are credible and were clear enough to understand the first or second time read.

    Recommendation

    The recommendation proposed is that children not receive vaccines until after 18 months of age, unless they are predisposed for some type of disease or disorder already. By predisposed I mean genetically or environmentally. For example, if a mother who tests positive for Hepatitis B gives birth to an infant, than by all means that baby should receive the vaccination in the hospital. If parents do make the choice to vaccinate, I recommend that they only give thimerosal- free vaccines. The vaccinations should also be spaced out by only taking one at a time instead of multiple vaccinations at once.

    Discussion

    Autism has a genetic basis, but it is also believed that environmental factors may trigger the disorder as well. Some of them may include chemicals, heavy metals, and antibiotics. (Mcpherson 2) A link between vaccinations and a diagnosis of autism is traced back to the timing of vaccinations and most common age of diagnosis of autism The Hepatitis B (HBV), Pneumococcal Vaccine (PCV), DTaP, Hib, Polio (IPV), MMR, Varicella, and the Hepatitis A (HAV), are all give at some point between 15 and 18 months (The Children’s Hospital (1-14). The common age for a child to be diagnosed with autism is between 18 months and two years of age (Penman). Because thimerosal mercury was originally placed in vaccines as a preservative, the link has been hypothesized by researchers. In 1999, thimerosal was removed from newly bottled vaccines but was said by the CDC to be strictly a preventative measure (CDC 2, 1). The effects of mercury poisoning are very similar to those traits of autism which is why the study “Autism: Mercury Poisoning?” was done at ARC Research in New Jersey. They concluded, in summary, that the thimerosal in vaccines needed to be removed because it was possible that this could trigger a child to develop the features that mimicked both autism and mercury poisoning (Bernard, 11). The theory, that the thimerosal might have been the culprit, is denied by the group that believes immunizations do not cause autism because of the fact that the diagnosis rate of autism continued to rise. The people who insist that the link is not just coincidence base it off of the fact that two studies done by the government showed a rise in the number of cases of autism at the same time that the thimerosal dosages increased. The increase was due to more vaccines being combined together and taking more at once. The same group attributes the continuing rise of autism after thimerosal had been removed to the increased recommendation of the government for children to be given the flu shot which contains thimerosal (Mercola 2). The rise is also thought to be attributed to better awareness and wider spectrum of cases that fall into the diagnosis of autism (DeNoon 1 and Healy 2).
    Dr. Bernadine Healy, the Health Editor for U.S. News and World Report, wrote on April 10, 2008, regarding a recent court case that has been a huge issue to the idea that vaccines might be an environmental cause in autism. For years the government has always held the stance that vaccines are incredibly safe, until now. She describes the proceedings by saying, “Without laying blame, the independent Office of Special Matters of the Court of Federal Claims- with a 20-year record of handling vaccine matters- recently concede that the brain damage and autistic behavior of Hannah Poling stemmed from her exposure as a toddle to five vaccinations on one day in July 2000.” (Healy 1) The family winning this case shows that the government does realize that vaccines may have something to do with at least one child’s diagnosis of autism. Dr. Healy goes on to give credit to vaccines stating that they are safe and have done a remarkable job at securing public health; however, that is looking at it in a broad sense. She notes that, “population studies are not granular enough to detect individual metabolic, genetic, or immunological variation that might make some children under certain circumstances susceptible to neurological complications after vaccination.” (Healy 1) As stated in the recommendation, children should wait to have vaccinations until after they have reached the age of 18 months because at that point there are tests that can be run for these certain circumstances. Research still needs to be conducted to discover if vaccinations are a true trigger of autism. Until completed, parents need to make an informed decision; is it better to prevent the possibility of a disease with the possibility of that treatment causing another?

  • http://brainblogger.com JJ

    Hi herd rebel, i do agree with you and i feel sorry for those still ‘blinkered’ by pharma lens of false reports. i reside in the caribbean, and there are countless reports of vaccine related illnesses and even deaths. the morality of vaccinating begs the question, ‘why is it govt. regulated’? do you know that our children won’t be admitted in primary schools unless they’ve had all their ‘shots’ pill of poison i call them. I have done much research into this vaccination issue, read thousands of reports for and against and found so far, science offer some real benefits in certain aspects but when coming to vaccinations they have to come much better. Attending a vaccine trial symposium ( it was an AIDS vaccine trial ) top CDC officials came with their embellished reports and window dressing on the ‘benefits’ of those who were about to take part in these trials and its furtherance of immunity and hope to aids sufferers. I asked two questions which up to this day havent been answered. (1) Sir, can you guarantee this aids vaccine will have any beneficial effect on the receipient seeing you explained the nature of the aids virus to constantly mutate and replicate, becoming another strain? Answer: NO
    (2) What guarantee can be given that one who participate in this trial wouldn’t succumb to the ‘attenuated virus’ that has been placed in his/her blood stream at some time subsequent to receiving this vaccine? Answer: Hmm. WELL, I CAN’T ANSWER THAT.
    Added to that was my personal experience which came in light of one of my twin grandaughters now three, who developed Meningitis after having her routine Dip/Tet shot. How did we arrive at such a conclusion? The twins were 7months premature. Side one was the stronger of the two, yet when given the shot at six months fell ill. Hospitalised, doctors confirmed she sufferered a bout bacterial Meningitis, and her hearing was impaired as well. Well, I still didn’t make the link until other mothers were speaking of their children being well until they’d taken the vaccine.
    I then took it upon myself to investigate what they were saying and true enough when the doctors were questioned they were very evasive and just put it down to co-incidence.

    Prior to this I did warn my daughter concerning the facts I’d unearthed about vaccines, and she hoped not to have any of them administered to her twins. But they are her first, and as a mother attending post natal clinic the pressuring and ‘conditioning’ was turned up to evoke a rapid response.
    So, when this occurence took place she was regrettable but too late she is still dealing with the consequences. At three they are not speaking well, in other words there is a disability to say words and their learning responses are slow. She has to take especial care with them that their childhood wouldn’t be forever marred because she accepted the ‘norm’ as she wanted the best for her kids and did’nt want them exclued from school when the time comes.

    My heart goes out to those who have suffered adverse effects and I think itsethically wrong and irresponsible of the manufacturers not produce a listing of the components which make up these vaccines. Want to know the truth according to FDA and other related regulatory ‘bodies’ they are not legally required to do so. They can put whatever and you and I just have to accept it. Is that Constitutional? you judge.

    Hats off Tia, I recommend your efforts, keep up the good work and never mind the majority of negative responses, there are still some free thinkers out there who don’t mind swimming ‘up stream’ for a change. I cannot afford to be blissfully ignorant when compelling facts are so evident in the lives of ‘living testimonies’ as I chose to call them. I will continue to research and will be the first one to put my hand up if proven wrong. Never slacken your viligance, and remember all it takes to change history is ONE individual.

  • Herd Rebel

    JJ:
    I got your response today – I completely forgot all about this thread, so thank you for the reminder. Question, are you “sure” the Carribean “mandates” vaccines? That’s a common myth here used in the US and individuals have used the terminology recommended and required interchangably. Obviously there’s a difference. It really surprises me at how much is really not known.
    Myself personally, I suffered an AE from a vaccine in adulthood which is what made me look into vaccines. Fortunately, I didn’t have children yet. Five years later when I did have children I knew enough to say no way.
    Is there such a mechanism in place in the caribbean as in the US for reporting of AE’s? Many think (in the US) only a doctor can do it, but, that’s also a lie…. they can do it as well, they just don’t know (hence low reporting figures given that doctors are reluctant (or ignorant) to do so).
    My heart goes out to both you and your daughter. It is not easy,. Does the carribean have any such thing in place for those vaccine injured such as the US? (not saying it’s speedy by any means).

  • Herd Rebel

    Dr. Laskar:
    I apologize, I didn’t realize you wrote over a month ago. I’m not sure however what your position is, you seem to almost go both ways. (I don’t mean that derogatory).
    Regarding antibiotics and bacteria – we’re all aware (or should be anyway) that this was the result of MRSA. There is a time and place for these I believe, but personally, I don’t use them – at least, I’ve have no need or desire to use any. It is plausible, at least IMO that vaccines can “strengthen” ones defense (in terms of antibodies) but then again, question 1) what else is getting weakened? 2) if antibodies don’t equal immunity, is there really a case for calling this protection?
    I very much agree however that we should increase our method of protection of natural law, or, nature. In my other personal experience, after experiencing mainstream vs. holistic, I’d never go back mainstream unless I had a broken bone.
    The problem with this route, as noted by the FDA in their stronghold of natural cures, is that there’s no money to be made via wallstreet in people being healthy. Therefore, anything promoting or being of such will be stifled, regulated, (or jailed), shut down or dissed at any avenue possible.
    Many if not most, just don’t know yet. In my observations however, whenever the FDA says something is bad, that’s a green light for me to go try it. Wheenver’s there’s too much emphasis focussed on natural cures that tells me there’s much more that the story holds.
    I’m not sure what your funciton is Doctor, but, you sound like a good person – best of luck to you with whatever you do.

    Dr. Ajoy Laskar
    September 28, 2008 | Permalink
    Doctors call for antibiotics to treat our disease. Antibiotics shoo the bacteria away and make us well, but alas! For the time being only. They cannot repair our ‘broken wall’.
    Our deficiency in defense remains the same or even worsens. Only vaccins can strengthen our defense, but they have not been developed for every agent causing disease, and it seems impractical to vaccinate a persom against thousands of bacteria, viruses, parasites and other non-organic disease agents.
    Why should we not concentrate on increasing our defense by methods developed on natural LAW OF CURE ? This law is unknown in modern medicine or worse even, totally ignored. Can you imagine a science not developed on natural law? Yes, there’s only one, Pharmaco therapy in modern medicine. Though I’m a grsduate of modern medicine and have to practise it, absence of law of cure and rules of drug therapy based on nature’s way always haunts me. just read my awful story and you will come to realize it.

  • Herd Rebel

    Nya: Please read responses below.

    In response to your studies citing adverse events, no one has ever claimed that vaccines are 100% safe. Read the package insert – it has a complete list of side effects. Not being 100% safe does not mean that most children shouldn’t be vaccinated. Vaccine preventable diseases killed millions of children in days past, and continue to kill millions of children around the world. Those who are not killed are often left with permanent health problems from these diseases. If you’re not familiar with risk-benefit analysis, I suggest you learn about it.

    ***Can you give me the percentages of how many doctors give the package insert to parents (or patients) as opposed to a “fact list sheet” prior to receiving vaccinations? (I know better now than to read for myself, but I’m talking about the majority that don’t). And “most” children shouldn’t be vaccinated? Can you account for the over 90% (FDA figures) of AE’s that are NOT reported? Vaccine preventable diseases yes, did kill children in past days – just as vaccines for preventable diseases kill children now adays. It’s a weight factor that all parents should take into account with TRUE information on both sides of the aisle. For those that are still getting killed around the world in the tens of thousands from vaccine preventable diseases, again, suggest to look into the 3rd world’s infrastructure. It’s not rocket science. Also, can you tell me the percentage of those children not killed by vaccinations, how many are left with disabilities? (physical/mental) both long and short-term scale?

    Sayer, you said “Vaccination is not safe, nor effective. Science demonstrates the veracity of this statement, over and over again.”

    *****Where?

    Please cite the studies claiming that vaccination is not effective, or that it is not largely safe. And no, citing a study that shows an incredibly small rate of side effects does not mean that vaccination is not largely safe.

    ****One cannot prove from a study that vacc’s are largely safe given that they are done on healthy individuals, are studied for AE’s for a max of 4 weeks. The true numbers will not come out until released on the populace as a whole, many, many years later. We cannot accurately credit a vaccine as being “largely safe” as we know that the majority of AE’s are NOT reported. This is a silly, repeated argument.

    “Statistics show that vaccination has not lead to a dramatic reduction in say, measles, or polio – but that preceding the advent of vaccines for these conditions, levels had dropped precipitously thanks to better hygiene and water purification.”

    Yes, disease levels did drop due to sanitation. But they did not drop to zero. There are obvious precipitous drops immediately after the advent of certain vaccinations. If you have different statistics, cite them.

    ***One cannot, man intervened first. However, for those diseases that have no vaccines that dropped to zero, perhaps you can explain why.

    Some vaccine preventable diseases are making a comeback, because of a drop in vaccination rates due to the kind of fearmongering you, Herd Rebel, and tia are engaging in.

    ***Vaccine preventable diseases making a comeback? So what… please cite where these diseases are a mortality threat. Also, I see nothing about fearmongering that anyone’s engaging in. What was cited was facts. If that scares you, well, I’m really not sorry – they are what they are.

    And tia? “a doctor, for what it’s worth”? No, you’re obviously a liar.
    ***No, a girlfirend of mine is seeing her. She sounds wonderful. Hopefully more doctors can learn from her.
    Also Nya, to engage in discussion with using words of “fearmongering”, “liar”, etc.. does nothing for your side of the debate. It makes you sound like an emotional train wreck. If you’d like to engage in a civil conversation, by all means, please do so – I don’t believe anyone here on the non-vacc side has ever disrepected you or your opinion. (I actually never see that from the non-vacc side to begin with anyway, it’s typically from the pro-vacc – and as always, one would only have to do such things if there was an agenda. Fortunately, those that don’t vacc don’t have one but only to protect their children. )

  • Herd Rebel

    Hi Evan. My beliefs have multiple fronts but one is yes – the sacrifice of one being acceptable for someone else. I agree – appalling. Not just my only issue, but one of. And GE of DNA (et. al) is nothing I’m enthused with either. Don’t want it for my food, either.

    Personally, I take on danger for my children, but that’s it. I won’t take it on anyone else, they’re not my responsibility. For those outside of being entrusted in my care, they can get my “responsibility” via my taxes. (wish I could control where those went to, too). In my opinion, the survivalist option is what I live by. (and my kids) Just as I do for myself, I teach them the same. It has worked. It’s always worked, just most have abandoned it as this country’s been turning more into socialism. I can neither confirm nor deny on a realistic standpoint anyway that vaccinations brought disease rates down given that we’ll never know. But less pretend for sake argument that they did. My question is what has the trade off been? Have we reduced nuisance diseases for chronic illness? AKA: diabetes, JRA, ADD/ADHD, Autism, leukemia, cancer, etc…? I believe that would be worth looking into from a non bias group of a study of the vacc’d vs. unvacc’d.

    I’m not sure where your stance lies either, but, I appreciate the diplomatic manner of which I think you also bring up valid points worth discussion.

  • http://brainblogger.com JJ

    Hi Herd Rebel in answer to your question, if vaccination is ‘mandated’ in the Caribbean, that’a a definite YES. It is ‘ Compulsory’ that children from the ages of six months to four years recieve their various vaccines. This directive comes from the top or Ministry of Health, and your child can be legally forfeited an academic education if they’re not ‘ immunized’. I’ll be returnin home from the UK in the next few days.

    I will send you official proof of this pre-requisite for any child approaching school age. PAHO, WHO,CDC and other health related institutions statistics and mortality rates are cited by various departments within our Health Institutions to promote the necessity and the justification of a rigidly adhered to, vaccination drive.

    The only grounds for exemption are a doctors certificate endorsing the fact that it will prove lethal if the child receive the following vaccine/s.

    This is my point of concern if its so good why go to such lengths to make them mandatory?
    Its a commonly accepted notion that vitamins and minerals are necessary nutrients vital for acheiving optimal health, but making them part and parcel of our diets, is not mandatory, as well as a whole list
    of ‘ wholesome’ stuff.

    Also I can’t overlook the irony that children who’ve never been vaccinated stand the same chance of not contracting these ‘childhood disases’ as their vaccine fed counterparts. So as I promised, further proof and also some info as to natural immune enhancers which play a major contributory role in the body’s natural defence system.

  • Herd Rebel

    I’ll take your word for it re: “compulsory” – I’ve never heard of a country that mandates such requirements, however I suppose it depends on where about the “Carribean” you are.
    That said, the US’s 50 states all have exemptions, though only 2 of them have medical only.
    Here in the US you actually have the health officials (ex, FDA) going after vitamins and supplements (etc.) in an attempt to shut down business’s as more and more are turning to alternative methods and foregoing vaccine recommendations.
    A sick individual however is lucrative to the ecomony which is why I believe there’s such a big push of mandatory vaccinations. There’s been no law changes here regarding compulsory vaccinations but that’s not to say that individuals/organizations haven’t been and aren’t trying.
    They forget however this country is a republic.

  • http://wellbeingandhealth.net/ Evan

    Australia has made vaccination mandatory for any child to attend a child care centre.

  • Herd Rebel

    Really? I have some friends in Australia and UK (I just threw UK in there) and none ever heard of such a thing. I’ll at least give them a heads up.

  • Herd Rebel

    Hey Evan, see below, I’m copying this entire message. I looked at some of these links and it appears it applies more to AUS, but from what I’m seeing, it’s not mandatory for vaccinations.

    Australia

    http://avn.org.au/

    No mandates in Australia but can’t find on Meryl’s pages

    INFO HERE
    http://www.vaccination.inoz.com/rights.html

    Your right of refusal

    You have a fundamental human AND common law right (common law is applicable in Britain and all former British colonies, including the U.S.) to be free to refuse any medical procedure.

    In Britain and all former British colonies other than the U.S. (including Australia, NZ and Canada), national Constitutions and state laws respect this right (though Queensland’s do not make specific reference to it). This includes in relation to school and child care entry. Contrary to what many people believe, in respect to enrolment the statute laws (i.e. those passed by Parliament, which are themselves lower laws than the Constitution and common law) only require schools to ask for information on vaccination status, and even if you do not provide any records, the school still cannot refuse enrolment on that basis. If a school official tells you otherwise he/she is either ignorant or lying to you, or you misinterpreted his/her request. Education is compulsory. Medical procedures are definitely NOT. Please make other parents, too, aware that they have this freedom. Paragraph (7) of the following section of legislation explicitly protects your right in NSW: http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/consol_act/pha1991126/s42d.html .

    (Relevant only to Australia:) You can also get the full childcare and maternity allowances if you submit a conscientious exemption form to Centrelink. Forms are available from Centrelink, Medicare, probably also from your doctor, or you can print one off from: http://www.medicareaustralia.gov.au/public/files/ma_conscientious_objection_form.pdf . An “immunisation” provider (doctor usually) is supposed to sign the form before you submit it, in order to record that he/she has gone through with you all the purported risks of not vaccinating. That’s all the doctor’s signature means, nothing else, as the law correctly views this decision as yours, not the doctor’s. So stand up for the truth and your rights, and be strong and prepared in the face of obstructions and/or lies that you may be confronted with. Past examples include:

    “Oh, we’ve run out of those forms” – Centrelink staff

    “Your child has to be fully vaccinated to get this payment” – Centrelink staff, and

    “I won’t sign that form because that would mean I would be endorsing your decision and I could be sued” – a medical doctor who also then refused to have any discussion of the subject and proceeded to instruct a nurse who, before the mother knew what was happening, jabbed the child in the mother’s arms. The mother had chosen not to continue vaccinating after she had observed that the child had fallen sick after each previous lot of vaccines. He had greatly improved once he received treatment from an alternative practitioner, but after this vaccine he quickly became sick again and was hospitalised three times.

    The Australian Federal Constitution protects the common law rights we have inherited from England (including those protected in the Magna Carta 1297, Bill of Rights 1688, Petition of Rights 1627, etc) and only gives power to governments to “provide”, i.e. make available, medical services, not to enforce them. The nature of the Constitution is that “what (power) is not granted to the Parliament… is denied to it.” “For the truth is the supreme, absolute and uncontrollable authority remains with the people.” (Annotated Constitution of the Australian Commonwealth, Quick and Garran, pps 346 and 286 resp.)

    *********

  • http://brainblogger.com JJ

    Hi Herd Rebel, it surely is a catch 22 situation, because here in Britain you can refuse to vaccinate your child but since it is required at child care centers and schools you’d have to go through a drawn out legal battle when Social Services get involved should you say, ‘ okay then, I’ll just educate my child at home’ when this decision should be without ‘penalty’.

    I return to Trinidad tomorrow and as promised I’ll send that information showing it is mandatory in our country to have your child vaccinated.

    The bigger picture is that our rights and freedoms are being continously encroached and its becoming exceedingly difficult to getting them ‘ respected’ Why? Because Governments and the powers that be hold a re-defined premise as to the true meaning of a Republic and its role to provide protection of their citizens rights and freedoms.

    Since any intelligent person should be ‘Rights Savvy’ I offer advance information on the origination of men’s rights (and no, it was not derived from man) visit: the organization is called T.I.R.L

    So continue the good work of informing others for this may be their only medium of empowering themselves. I’ll keep in touch

  • http://brainblogger.com JJ

    Hi Herd Rebel I don’t know what took place but the e-mail link I gave for visiting the web site of those wishing to become ‘Rights Savvy just didnt print, so I’ll give it again.

    Knowledge is power, therefore an uninformed public is gullible and unarmed to effectively deal with critical issues.

  • http://brainblogger.com JJ

    Hi again, you will just have to go through a search engine and look for T.I.R.L or FIRST FREEDOM THINK DOT COM

  • BloggerT

    Typhoid – In 1911 immunisation of US army troops with typhoid vaccine became compulsory. In World War 1, with a fighting force of approximately two million there were 1,529 cases of typhoid, with 169 deaths. In the Spanish-American War of 1898 with an unvaccinated fighting force of 108,000 there were 20,738 cases of typhoid, and 1,580 deaths.55

    Neonatal tetanus – In China in 1994 approximately 10% of pregnant women were immunised against tetanus. Over 90,000 babies died from neonatal tetanus. In contrast in Sri Lanka in 1994 80% of pregnant women were immunised, and the disease declined to the stage where it was considered rare. In Bangladesh, where it is estimated that only 10% of women have access to a clean delivery, the incidence of neonatal tetanus has been cut from 41 per 1,000 live births to six per 1,000 live births as a result of a mass immunisation program.56

    Epiglottitis – Is a potentially fatal condition occurring in young children caused by Haemophilus influezae (Hib). In Finland the incidence rate of acute epiglottitis in children aged 0-4 years fell from 7.6 to 0 cases per 100,000 following the introduction of Hib immunisation.57

    Japanese Encephalitis – This acute neurological condition occurs predominantly in India, China, and Japan, and is associated with significant morbidity and mortality. The incidence of the condition has dropped markedly as a result of immunisation and mosquito control. Studies have shown the effectiveness of a two dose vaccine regimen to be over 90%.58,59

    Polio – In the Netherlands in 1992-93, after 14 years with no endemic cases of polio there was an outbreak involving 71 persons. There were two deaths and 59 cases of paralysis. None of the patients had been vaccinated, most for religious reasons. No vaccinated person contracted the disease.60

  • BloggerT

    From the NY Time Aug 24 2008:

    There has been an upsurge of measles cases in the United States, mostly because of parents’ misguided fears of vaccinations. The number is still relatively small — but climbing. In the first seven months of this year, 131 cases were reported to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, more than during the same period in any year since 1996. No deaths were reported, but at least 15 patients were hospitalized.

    Most people have forgotten, but measles was once an uncontrolled scourge that infected three million to four million Americans annually. Victims typically suffered a rash, fever and diarrhea, but severe cases could lead to pneumonia or encephalitis. In bad epidemic years, some 48,000 Americans were hospitalized, 1,000 more were chronically disabled, and 400 to 500 died.

    Then the development of effective vaccines and compulsory vaccination of schoolchildren drove the disease to the sidelines. Health authorities declared that measles had been eliminated from the United States in 2000. Only a few score cases have been reported annually in recent years, mostly imported from abroad.

    Nearly all of the outbreaks this year were triggered by a mere 17 travelers or foreign visitors who contracted the virus abroad. The alarming wrinkle this year is that, once the virus is imported, it seems to be spreading to more people than before.

    Outbreaks have occurred among home-schooled children who escaped the compulsory school vaccinations, and among children whose parents oppose vaccination, for philosophical and religious reasons or fear that the combined measles, mumps and rubella vaccine is dangerous. Many fear that the vaccines cause autism, a theory that has been thoroughly debunked by multiple studies and by authoritative medical organizations.

    Israel, Switzerland, Austria, Italy and Britain are reporting sizable outbreaks of measles among populations that have refused vaccination. Although vaccination rates remain high in this country, some experts fear that they may be starting to drop. Because it is so contagious, measles is one of the first diseases to reappear when immunization coverage declines. If confidence in all vaccines were to drop precipitously, many diseases would re-emerge and cause far more harm than could possibly result from vaccination.

  • BloggerT

    the number of cases of measles and reported deaths from measles for the years 1960-69 in the USA. 51

    Year
    Cases
    Deaths

    1960
    441,703
    380

    1961
    423,919
    434

    1962
    481,530
    408

    1963
    385,156
    364

    1964
    458,083
    421

    1965
    261,904
    276

    1966
    204,136
    261

    1967
    62,705
    81

    1968
    22,231
    24

    1969
    25,826
    41

    Anyone with even a rudimentary knowledge of epidemiology would look at these figures and hypothesize that something occurred around about 1963-64 that resulted in a marked decline in the number of cases and deaths from measles.

    What happened at this time? Measles immunisation was introduced in the USA in 1963-64. A time when “sanitary” conditions were firmly in place in this country.

  • BloggerT

    And lastly this: A sixteenth-century Swiss chemist named Paracelsus gave us the most basic rule of toxicology: “The dose makes the poison.” Practically every substance on earth (including water and Vitamin C) can kill you if it’s concentrated enough in your stomach or your bloodstream.

  • Herd Rebel

    Hi Blogger. I can see from your posts that you’re copying and pasting from a report of some sort with footnotes. Can you please provide the original link. Thanks.

  • Herd Rebel

    JJ: This is very true – here in the US the fear campaign has worked wonders in many areas to erode the country’s foundation. If people understood what rights they actually had under a republic, they’d be damning the day “democracy” became intertwined then took over. But you are very correct – the people allowed this to happen, but, that’s another story.
    ——————

    The bigger picture is that our rights and freedoms are being continously encroached and its becoming exceedingly difficult to getting them ‘ respected’ Why? Because Governments and the powers that be hold a re-defined premise as to the true meaning of a Republic and its role to provide protection of their citizens rights and freedoms.

  • Tyr

    Tia said “Still no sign of a double-blind, placebo study for vaccines…..EVER.” and that was just one of many deceptions that the anti-vac crowd tries to pull. Just an example of TWO trials off the top of my head are:

    “Efficacy of Influenza Vaccination in HIV-Infected Persons” (randomized double-blind trial comparing influenza vaccine to saline placebo): you have to type the http and the www to make it work .annals.org/cgi/content/full/131/6/430

    “Adverse Reactions to Influenza Vaccine in Elderly People: Randomised Double Blind Placebo Controlled Trial” (comparing influenza vaccine to saline placebo): you have to type the http and the www to make it work .pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?tool=pubmed&pubmedid=8241913

  • Herd Rebel

    Well, TYR, given that we know “efficacy of influenza vacc in any age, gender, race, etc… category is completely a faux pas -” you will kindly excuse me while I yawwwwwwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnn…… at the “HIV infected persons” study – in addition – can you please tell me what “saline” does as a “placebo”?
    Also – the studies you are referencing – as being “legitimate” from the “pubmed” – can you please tell me if these studies are part of the 80% studies that are ghost-written – or are they from the 20% that is not (JAMA)? Can you also then tell me where you found the information to verify whether what you were reading was legitimate or not so I can bookmark it? Personally, I stopped wasting my time reading the studies because I couldn’t verify where one study fell from another, but, if you have a secret source that knows, I’d be happy to read.

  • Tyr
  • Herd Rebel

    It does?

    Wakefield responded to Deer:
    http://www.rescuepost.com/files/deer-response.pdf

    Once again – yaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn……….

  • Tyr

    Or how about the recent court ruling today?? Even in there it was shown that Wakefield was wrong.

  • Herd Rebel

    WEll, I don’t know Tyr, what did you think about the Poling ruling?

  • R. R.

    Not that I’m claiming that getting a fingertip chopped off is better than getting an arm chopped off(… On second thought I suppose I am), but I don’t get why people get so upset at any pathetically tiny amounts of mercury and aluminium in vaccines in the past, when most people still gleefully and vigorously rub their armpits with antiperspirants, eat tuna and the like. We’re subjected to a lot of toxins in amounts that actually matter. The average person has traces of 70+ different toxins in their body, IIRC. More than half of those didn’t exist or was less in the average human a few hundreds of years ago. (Not that people haven’t vigorously ingested or rubbed themselves with poisons thousands of years ago out of ignorance, e.g. mercury/lead paint)

    In short: Hypocrisy. It’s like panicking about losing a few pennies while continuing to burn 100 dollar bills for no good reason.

    Vaccines work excellently for the purpose they’ve been created, and they’re not particularly unnatural.
    But then again, maybe I’m not giving people enough credit. Should I assume the anti-vaccine movement isn’t as ignorant as they keep pretending to be, but are in fact just pulling an intentional ruse in order to decrease the human population to a more sustainable level using more gruesome methods than just decreasing the amount of offspring born? Decreasing the herd immunity and increasing illnesses on top of the evolving bacteria as an alternative biological warfare against the human species?

  • Anonymous

    RR. You need to remember that there are various amounts of people. Those that go “all natural” not only don’t use deodorant or make up but they don’t shave. Some go to lesser extremes and buy organic (make up/deodorant and any other product that they can) – others whom cannot afford organic just try to reduce the toxins that they can (obviously knowing there’s nothing one can do about the air or their water.) So, let’s try to place it in perspective here.

    The question in regards to toxins is their level of exposure. Baring again in mind that obviously man has created much more. What is the different amount in terms of absorbtion, ingestion, injection and inhalation? Can you tell me that? What is the different route of exposure each path takes to effect what particular organs? DNA? Immune system as a whole? Can you tell me that?

    Now.. biological warfare… now you’re talking my interest!!! Do you have any idea how many biolabs have been created under the Bush administration which runs sly short of violating the bans treaty? Have any idea how many pathogens have escaped? Have any idea how they’re secure? Have any idea how you’re secure? Have any idea what genetic modification is doing? Before you start to pretend that you have any idea into the “anti vacc group” suggest that you get to understand what they know. Based on your opinion and your silly statement, that leads me to believe that the “anti vacc” is on the right track.

  • http://medkit-au.blogspot.com/ Aaron

    Firstly, from having just participated in a Stage 4 double blind clinical trial of the latest influenza vaccine. Double blind studies do exist.

    Secondly, most vaccines available take 10-15yrs to reach the market and undergo numerous trials to determine toxicology and side effects. So in general they are suitable for the mass population. And yes as mentioned earlier vaccines aren’t perfect. One guy who was part of my trial group even had an anaphylaxis reaction to the vaccine. You could say that this is reason enough not to be vaccinated.

    The real issue here is risk management, and to date the evidence points towards vaccinations as minimising fatalities. Even in the scenario above, while the subject suffered as a result of the vaccination he was in environment whereby his malady could be readily resolved. In contrast, had he not been vaccinated and later contracted the flu it would be up to his un-primed immune system alone to defend the attack. Now he probably would have been fine being a young healthy male, but an infant or an elderly person would have reacted quite differently (primarily due to weaker immune systems), possibly leading to death.

    As a current biomedical science student & future I doctor I feel that vaccines are an important part of preventative medicine (e.g. smallpox has been virtually eradicated as a result of vaccines). As such, I would encourage people to get vaccinated. However, I also feel that each individual has the right to choose whether they are vaccinated or not, despite my inclinations towards vaccination.

    Anyway just my 2cents.

  • Herd Rebel

    Hi Aaron, to address your last paragraph, I like you feel everyone as well has the right to choose what does or does not enter into their body. Smallpox was not eradicated via the smallpox vaccination. A recap into history divulges the fact that during the epidemics, the counties that used the vaccination had the highest fatalities, and those that either did not use, or discontinued the use of the vaccination, had the lowest fatalities.

    Regarding trials, unless a vaccine (or drug) is fast-tracked (which is becoming popular), yes, trials do take place (numerous) – and as being one that received the criteria to participate in the study, I am sure you are well aware of the screening that takes place for an individual to participate in such study. The trials do not even get a snap shot of what could occur post licensure given different genetic make-ups and a population that is becoming more and more unhealthy (whether that be genetic or choice, take your pick). Once released in the market en masse, we again, have no true real numbers of adverse events to vaccinations given the passive surveillance system of VAERS. We also have no real knowledge of actual trial results given the over popular method of ghost-studies and manipulation of data. These two above factors have been hit on for years but seem to be making more headway in headlines as of the last couple months.

    Regarding the flu – also, another recent study (just released last week), the flu vaccination does nothing for the elderly. Given that the number touted for years seems to fancy “36,000 deaths”, when one looks at the break-down they will see that yes, the majority of deaths occur in the elderly (less than 150 were for infants) but even taking all the above deaths, when you sort out those for “flu” and those for “pnemonia”, you will see that less than 500 were from the flu and the remaining were made up from the pnemonia category. Personally speaking, as one who’s received the flu vaccine a few times, I never had the flu when not taking the shot – I however had flu like symptoms for weeks when taking the shot; so in my estimate for me, the shot’s not worth it. Everyone is different, and should, as we both agree on, weigh their benefits/risks and come to their own conclusion. Personally, rather than tell anyone what I think they should or should not do in terms of vaccinating, I would advocate people to really start reading.

  • marge semons

    If I was a young mother I would wait until my children was two yrs old and then start the shots one at a time –I do think autism is cause by those shots with mercury link –what does it take for us to wake up and get smart about this–one of my good friends daughter baby died at one year I didnt say she died because of this–but I can think anything I want- maybe she was sick when they took her what I am saying I wouldnt give my children shots until after the second year. -they were great parents my heart goes out for parents who have lost a child and the doctors and hospitals they dont take responsibilities–they can only say the baby was sick and died not because of the shot but because of this and that.
    I dont take the flu shot for the same reason I exercise and eat right and I do it the right way so I think–taking vitamins and only eating fish-chicken –fruit and veg–with yogert and I am never sick–dont forget to drink lots of water.–think postive and please think before you take shots.

  • shannon

    i had a son that had received a fluzone flu shot in october 2005 and 11 days later he was diagnosed with aml leukemia before all of this he was a healthy child we have two other sons and we do not vaccinate any more because we believe that the flu shot had something to do with his aml leukemia

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  • loulou82

    Wow, i actually thought this was a legit science site…instead it just regurgitates the uneducated, unverified Jenny McCarthy crap that is actually causing people to get sick and die from diseases that were practically eradicated. As someone with an infant, you people terrify and infuriate me.

  • Mfitch

    I notice a single-edged sword is used to illustrate this article about vaccines being a double-edged sword. Not an auspicious start.

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Nirupama Shankar, PT, MHS, is a physical therapist by profession, and has over 7 years of clinical experience in the field of neurological rehabilitation. She has treated individuals with stroke, traumatic brain injury, spinal cord injury, Parkinson's disease, multiple sclerosis, and amputations. She has also completed training modules and community education projects in Michigan and North Carolina.
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