<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" > <channel><title>Comments on: Religion &#8211; A &#8220;Natural&#8221; Phenomenon?</title> <atom:link href="http://brainblogger.com/2009/09/25/religion-a-natural-phenomenon/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://brainblogger.com/2009/09/25/religion-a-natural-phenomenon/</link> <description>Topics from multidimensional biopsychosocial perspectives</description> <lastBuildDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 18:44:48 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator> <item><title>By: Jim</title><link>http://brainblogger.com/2009/09/25/religion-a-natural-phenomenon/#comment-617514</link> <dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 15 Jan 2012 15:10:10 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://brainblogger.com/?p=3308#comment-617514</guid> <description>Thanks for the rational approach to an irrational subject, but the proverb says, &quot;Only a fool will argue with a fool.&quot; Attempting to engage in rational intercourse on a subject that, by definition, defies rationality, seems ultimately futile.By my research, &lt;em&gt;religious &lt;/em&gt;is an adjective primarily related to &lt;em&gt;scrupulous&lt;/em&gt;, or &lt;em&gt;exact.&lt;/em&gt; The popular lexicon generalizes it such that a precise meaning must depend upon its greater context.My point is, be careful how you evaluate or criticize a subject as subjective as &lt;em&gt;religion&lt;/em&gt;; you may appear to practice your atheism religiously.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the rational approach to an irrational subject, but the proverb says, &#8220;Only a fool will argue with a fool.&#8221; Attempting to engage in rational intercourse on a subject that, by definition, defies rationality, seems ultimately futile.</p><p>By my research, <em>religious </em>is an adjective primarily related to <em>scrupulous</em>, or <em>exact.</em> The popular lexicon generalizes it such that a precise meaning must depend upon its greater context.</p><p>My point is, be careful how you evaluate or criticize a subject as subjective as <em>religion</em>; you may appear to practice your atheism religiously.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Andrew</title><link>http://brainblogger.com/2009/09/25/religion-a-natural-phenomenon/#comment-600847</link> <dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 15:28:41 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://brainblogger.com/?p=3308#comment-600847</guid> <description>Religion is here because men are confused and easily led astray from a plan that God himself with a physical body of flesh and bones laid out for us. We are spiritual beings here in this world having a physical experience. We are meant to learn to believe in something that isn&#039;t factual or that can&#039;t be proven... that&#039;s what faith is. Believing without seeing. If we had all the answers given to us then it wouldn&#039;t be a test. And that&#039;s exactly what this life is is a test.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Religion is here because men are confused and easily led astray from a plan that God himself with a physical body of flesh and bones laid out for us. We are spiritual beings here in this world having a physical experience. We are meant to learn to believe in something that isn&#8217;t factual or that can&#8217;t be proven&#8230; that&#8217;s what faith is. Believing without seeing. If we had all the answers given to us then it wouldn&#8217;t be a test. And that&#8217;s exactly what this life is is a test.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Ulla</title><link>http://brainblogger.com/2009/09/25/religion-a-natural-phenomenon/#comment-598153</link> <dc:creator>Ulla</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 08:26:01 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://brainblogger.com/?p=3308#comment-598153</guid> <description>In this text is a serious error. Brain areas are found that contain religious experiencies. Look for Michael Persinger. This kind of altered consciousness can be achieved by altered processings in the brain, as for after a strike of lightning, often reported in schamanism. Fire is often used too as a tool.Persinger induced a magnetic field across the brain hemispheres that gave the religious feeling. How that feeling is interpreted, if it is as God or as ET, depends on the culture.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this text is a serious error. Brain areas are found that contain religious experiencies. Look for Michael Persinger. This kind of altered consciousness can be achieved by altered processings in the brain, as for after a strike of lightning, often reported in schamanism. Fire is often used too as a tool.</p><p>Persinger induced a magnetic field across the brain hemispheres that gave the religious feeling. How that feeling is interpreted, if it is as God or as ET, depends on the culture.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Religion &#8211; Natural? &#171; gregsky</title><link>http://brainblogger.com/2009/09/25/religion-a-natural-phenomenon/#comment-598106</link> <dc:creator>Religion &#8211; Natural? &#171; gregsky</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 23:01:25 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://brainblogger.com/?p=3308#comment-598106</guid> <description>[...] more from Brain Blogger   Posted by gregsky at 8:47 am Tagged with: atheism, cultureVulture, curious shit, history, our [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] more from Brain Blogger   Posted by gregsky at 8:47 am Tagged with: atheism, cultureVulture, curious shit, history, our [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://brainblogger.com/2009/09/25/religion-a-natural-phenomenon/#comment-597985</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 14:26:19 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://brainblogger.com/?p=3308#comment-597985</guid> <description>Atheism is not an ideology.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Atheism is not an ideology.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://brainblogger.com/2009/09/25/religion-a-natural-phenomenon/#comment-597932</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 21:09:57 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://brainblogger.com/?p=3308#comment-597932</guid> <description>I was going by Alan MacFarlane&#039;s  description of Hunter Gatherer societies.( less to no religion ..less to no heirarchy ...both not characteristics of large scale societies) I&#039;ve tried an overall wide arc-ing view.Its not binary choices anywhere along the line... but  I expect less religion in early  populations as  density decreases and religion as positively present in every large scale/ high density  grouping. We evolved under the environmental pressure of other human beings ( we were the environment ) ..so even under conditions 150k  + years ago..we had already been exposed to population pressure.( smaller bodies but stable brain sizes indicate that) .But its close proximity living that causes religion. And religion itself then helps close proximity living. After a certain tipping point..the Religious memes would have fought each other into existence ( less organised Tribal , Hunter Gatherers get swept aside )..leaving aside a meme ( religion ) that is propagating itself.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was going by Alan MacFarlane&#8217;s  description of Hunter Gatherer societies.( less to no religion ..less to no heirarchy &#8230;both not characteristics of large scale societies)<br /> I&#8217;ve tried an overall wide arc-ing view.Its not binary choices anywhere along the line&#8230;<br /> but  I expect less religion in early  populations as  density decreases and religion as positively present in every large scale/ high density  grouping.<br /> We evolved under the environmental pressure of other human beings ( we were the environment ) ..so even under conditions 150k  + years ago..we had already been exposed to population pressure.( smaller bodies but stable brain sizes indicate that) .But its close proximity living that causes religion.<br /> And religion itself then helps close proximity living.<br /> After a certain tipping point..the Religious memes would have fought each other into existence ( less organised Tribal , Hunter Gatherers get swept aside )..leaving aside a meme ( religion ) that is propagating itself.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Evan</title><link>http://brainblogger.com/2009/09/25/religion-a-natural-phenomenon/#comment-597931</link> <dc:creator>Evan</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 20:05:49 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://brainblogger.com/?p=3308#comment-597931</guid> <description>Javaid, where on earth do you get the idea that hunter-gatherers have little or no religion?  The Australian aborigines have a religious heritage of 40-60,000 years!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Javaid, where on earth do you get the idea that hunter-gatherers have little or no religion?  The Australian aborigines have a religious heritage of 40-60,000 years!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Religion Politics Man Family&#8230;a narrative &#171; Littlebangtheories&#8217;s Blog</title><link>http://brainblogger.com/2009/09/25/religion-a-natural-phenomenon/#comment-597930</link> <dc:creator>Religion Politics Man Family&#8230;a narrative &#171; Littlebangtheories&#8217;s Blog</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 18:46:09 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://brainblogger.com/?p=3308#comment-597930</guid> <description>[...] Javaid Akhtar February 01, 2010 &#124; Permalink [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Javaid Akhtar February 01, 2010 | Permalink [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Javaid Akhtar</title><link>http://brainblogger.com/2009/09/25/religion-a-natural-phenomenon/#comment-597929</link> <dc:creator>Javaid Akhtar</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 18:33:15 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://brainblogger.com/?p=3308#comment-597929</guid> <description>This is my angle ..Hunter Gatherers have the lightest density footprint and have a flat hierarchy , little or no religion and a looser or no specific bonding between children and parents( unstratified) .They are the baseline of our evolution. Tribes have lineages ( requires a strong child-parent bond) and require alot of co-operation ,leadership , division of clans = hierarchy  ) to compete with other tribes ( high population density) .Hunter Gatherers skim of the landscape  and can only exist in a low density pattern.The Toba event caused the population worldwide to  decrease synchronously 60k years ago and the population increases thereafter synchronised the rise of religions/civilisations to the last 30k years as population densities recovered.The first border war we fight as individuals is for the personal/self space we feel that is ours.An authority figure will puncture this space and demand modulation to your behavioural output ( the same pathway that makes you vunerable to hypnotherapy in later life...I&#039;m sure Hunter Gatherers are not hypnotizable ).This involves a loss of self and a gain for the larger group. The benefits to the larger  group eventually accrue back to the individual..which is why religion is so sucessful..This border skirmish  is usually a singular event and the parent always win .They are larger physically ( as is God) , all powerful as compared to the child  ( as God is), and can punish and withhold their love...all attributes of Gods. If the insecurity of that breach causes you to seek more security , you are a right -winger ( good for the group). If it causes some insecurity but only enough for you to despise the cause of the insecurity.. you will become a revolutionary , anarchist anti-authoutarian personality ( no good for the group).If the insecurity leaves you  in neither camp..you can empathise both ways ..you become a liberal. If you seek spirituality from  a sense of weakness within..you will seek the comfort of the the establised &#039; church&#039;.This is a religious person in the fullest sense ( a follower , never a prophet) A spiritual person ...has a sense that the locus of the events that matter in a religious sense...are within them selves..( quite correctly) and not in institutions..more the individual. These people are irrelevent to the group hierarchy but become nucleators when a large grouping needs to re-align  and politically re-define itself.These spiritiual nucleators are always around , but at oppurtune times , the larger group will re-orient itself using a nucleator ...a new prophet is born.The left+up vs the right+down arena of the brain and the relationship of these two are the backbone for this interplay .</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is my angle ..</p><p>Hunter Gatherers have the lightest density footprint and have a flat hierarchy , little or no religion and a looser or no specific bonding between children and parents( unstratified) .They are the baseline of our evolution.<br /> Tribes have lineages ( requires a strong child-parent bond) and require alot of co-operation ,leadership , division of clans = hierarchy  ) to compete with other tribes ( high population density) .Hunter Gatherers skim of the landscape  and can only exist in a low density pattern.</p><p>The Toba event caused the population worldwide to  decrease synchronously 60k years ago<br /> and the population increases thereafter synchronised the rise of religions/civilisations<br /> to the last 30k years as population densities recovered.</p><p>The first border war we fight as individuals is for the personal/self space we feel that<br /> is ours.An authority figure will puncture this space and demand modulation to your behavioural<br /> output ( the same pathway that makes you vunerable to hypnotherapy in later life&#8230;I&#8217;m sure Hunter<br /> Gatherers are not hypnotizable ).This involves a loss of self and a gain for the larger group.<br /> The benefits to the larger  group eventually accrue back to the individual..which is why religion is so sucessful..This border skirmish  is usually a singular event and the parent always win .They are larger physically ( as is God) , all powerful as compared to the child  ( as God is), and can punish and withhold their love&#8230;all attributes of Gods.<br /> If the insecurity of that breach causes you to seek more security , you are a right -winger ( good for the group).<br /> If it causes some insecurity but only enough for you to despise the cause of the insecurity..<br /> you will become a revolutionary , anarchist anti-authoutarian personality ( no good for<br /> the group).If the insecurity leaves you  in neither camp..you can empathise both ways ..you become a<br /> liberal.<br /> If you seek spirituality from  a sense of weakness within..you will seek the comfort of the<br /> the establised &#8216; church&#8217;.This is a religious person in the fullest sense ( a follower , never a prophet)<br /> A spiritual person &#8230;has a sense that the locus of the events that matter in a religious sense&#8230;are<br /> within them selves..( quite correctly) and not in institutions..more the individual.<br /> These people are irrelevent to the group hierarchy but become nucleators when a large grouping needs to re-align  and politically re-define itself.These spiritiual nucleators are always around , but at oppurtune times , the larger group will re-orient itself using a nucleator &#8230;a new prophet is born.</p><p>The left+up vs the right+down arena of the brain and the relationship of these two are the backbone<br /> for this interplay .</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Evan</title><link>http://brainblogger.com/2009/09/25/religion-a-natural-phenomenon/#comment-597926</link> <dc:creator>Evan</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 08:05:02 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://brainblogger.com/?p=3308#comment-597926</guid> <description>Tribal groups - about as dispersed as population gets still have religion.I think the social vs individual can be a bit of a mistake.  Human babies being so dependant we are a tribal species.  The personal spirituality is often affected by language, social views of what is real (even if a sub-cultures views).  As soon as the spiritual affects the social it starts becoming &#039;religious&#039;.These are my thoughts.  Keen to hear other&#039;s.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tribal groups &#8211; about as dispersed as population gets still have religion.</p><p>I think the social vs individual can be a bit of a mistake.  Human babies being so dependant we are a tribal species.  The personal spirituality is often affected by language, social views of what is real (even if a sub-cultures views).  As soon as the spiritual affects the social it starts becoming &#8216;religious&#8217;.</p><p>These are my thoughts.  Keen to hear other&#8217;s.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Divya Mathur, PhD</title><link>http://brainblogger.com/2009/09/25/religion-a-natural-phenomenon/#comment-597925</link> <dc:creator>Divya Mathur, PhD</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 07:55:13 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://brainblogger.com/?p=3308#comment-597925</guid> <description>All this may be true for organized forms of religion. however, there is a facet of religion called &#039;spirituality&#039;, which is personal and not society driven. thoughts anyone!!!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All this may be true for organized forms of religion. however, there is a facet of religion called &#8216;spirituality&#8217;, which is personal and not society driven. thoughts anyone!!!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Javaid Akhtar</title><link>http://brainblogger.com/2009/09/25/religion-a-natural-phenomenon/#comment-597924</link> <dc:creator>Javaid Akhtar</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 20:35:22 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://brainblogger.com/?p=3308#comment-597924</guid> <description>The religious enviroment is the support and symptom.The cause is population density .Religion follows and causes more population density...in a supportive manner.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The religious enviroment is the support and symptom.The cause is population density .Religion follows and causes more population density&#8230;in a supportive manner.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Evan</title><link>http://brainblogger.com/2009/09/25/religion-a-natural-phenomenon/#comment-597923</link> <dc:creator>Evan</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 19:58:36 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://brainblogger.com/?p=3308#comment-597923</guid> <description>Those brought up in supportive environments can also have a religious sense.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those brought up in supportive environments can also have a religious sense.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Javaid Akhtar</title><link>http://brainblogger.com/2009/09/25/religion-a-natural-phenomenon/#comment-597922</link> <dc:creator>Javaid Akhtar</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 19:48:01 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://brainblogger.com/?p=3308#comment-597922</guid> <description>Heres a narrative...religion as a conditioner and agency for  stressed family groupings (higher densities)Religion positively promotes and is initially created by close proximity living...such as Caves , or in resource dense areas that can sustain higher densities. The child is denied free will and has to succumb to a hierarchy through intense parental subjugation. The loss of free will is compensated by a population that can bear to live much more closely to each other .Emotional outbursts from close living could increase violations of the moral codes. Moral codes ( being innate )are re-ratified through taboo and ritual.That inner repressed self is allowed to burst out / channelled towards  a &#039;parent God - sinful child who can become good  &#039; narrative...the inner child  can re-channel the damage done by the branding done by the parent by loving an outer parent...invisible ...but very apt for a love that was lost in childhood and kept unconscious.( invisible itself )... The upshot is higher densities , stratified societies.Very sucessful.So sucessful that they can sustain Atheism...a reaction against that parental authority paradigm or just open defiance from individuals who have a need to express their non- belief....only possible in societies that have grown beyond the sustenace  of the religion paradigm and are generating new paradigms. But when societies fail...its religion that comes back. We see reason everywhere as we move away from childhood .We serialise , intentionalise everything. The kernel of emotional damage is never fully assimilated and we are forever projecting it outwardly...so our emotions become to flavour the outer world as they are  left orphaned within us.... So we see intentionality in animals and the Sun and rain..... The inner damage also causes us to seek more security amonsgt each other and that positively re-inforces the hierarchy. The left brain -right brain hierarchy is the first hierarchy  that is the cornerstone .The parent affects the emotional right side and effects changes in the left brain...hence re-inforcing a naturally occuring hierarchy.The right brain spills over into the outer world  and the left  brain channels new explanations that help it cope ( intentionalizing the inanimate..idols..sun moon....and the animate....animals ) . Those that are left feeling insecure from the parental &#039;conditioning&#039; seek more security and become &#039;conservatives&#039;....those that have a more fluid relationship with both cerebral hemispheres ..can become liberals.Those that have an emotional sides that career wildly within ..uncontainable by the left brain..are potential prophets. Smaller religious societies require a higher proportion of rightwingers.When they get incredibly sucessful...they need liberals to occassionaly steer them onto novel or new paths ( social democracies). Sorry if it bit waffly. .</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heres a narrative&#8230;religion as a conditioner and agency for  stressed family groupings (higher densities)</p><p>Religion positively promotes and is initially created by close proximity living&#8230;such as Caves , or in resource dense areas that can sustain higher densities.<br /> The child is denied free will and has to succumb to a hierarchy through intense parental subjugation.<br /> The loss of free will is compensated by a population that can bear to live much more closely to each other .Emotional outbursts from close living could increase violations of the moral codes. Moral codes ( being innate )are re-ratified through taboo and ritual.That inner repressed self is allowed to burst out / channelled towards  a &#8216;parent God &#8211; sinful child who can become good  &#8216; narrative&#8230;the inner child  can re-channel the damage done by the branding done by the parent by loving an outer parent&#8230;invisible &#8230;but very apt for a love that was lost in childhood and kept unconscious.( invisible itself )&#8230;<br /> The upshot is higher densities , stratified societies.Very sucessful.So sucessful that they can sustain Atheism&#8230;a reaction against that parental authority paradigm or just open defiance from individuals who have a need to express their non- belief&#8230;.only possible in societies that have grown beyond the sustenace  of the religion paradigm and are generating new paradigms.<br /> But when societies fail&#8230;its religion that comes back.<br /> We see reason everywhere as we move away from childhood .We serialise , intentionalise everything.<br /> The kernel of emotional damage is never fully assimilated and we are forever projecting it outwardly&#8230;so our emotions become to flavour the outer world as they are  left orphaned within us&#8230;.<br /> So we see intentionality in animals and the Sun and rain&#8230;..<br /> The inner damage also causes us to seek more security amonsgt each other and that positively re-inforces the hierarchy.<br /> The left brain -right brain hierarchy is the first hierarchy  that is the cornerstone .The parent affects the emotional right side and effects changes in the left brain&#8230;hence re-inforcing a naturally occuring hierarchy.The right brain spills over into the outer world  and the left  brain channels new explanations that help it cope ( intentionalizing the inanimate..idols..sun moon&#8230;.and the animate&#8230;.animals ) .<br /> Those that are left feeling insecure from the parental &#8216;conditioning&#8217; seek more security and become &#8216;conservatives&#8217;&#8230;.those that have a more fluid relationship with both cerebral hemispheres ..can become liberals.Those that have an emotional sides that career wildly within ..uncontainable by the left brain..are potential prophets.<br /> Smaller religious societies require a higher proportion of rightwingers.When they get incredibly sucessful&#8230;they need liberals to occassionaly steer them onto novel or new paths ( social democracies).<br /> Sorry if it bit waffly.<br /> .</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jason</title><link>http://brainblogger.com/2009/09/25/religion-a-natural-phenomenon/#comment-597811</link> <dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 08:27:06 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://brainblogger.com/?p=3308#comment-597811</guid> <description>I think the really interesting question about belief comes when you separate it from your preconceived ideas and prejudices about known religious institutions.  If religious thinking is a natural phenomenon in the human brain then I just do not buy the idea that atheists can somehow bypass that natural heritage by a superior effort of thinking.  That sounds like the kind of apologetics that other faith systems have made in the past!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the really interesting question about belief comes when you separate it from your preconceived ideas and prejudices about known religious institutions.  If religious thinking is a natural phenomenon in the human brain then I just do not buy the idea that atheists can somehow bypass that natural heritage by a superior effort of thinking.  That sounds like the kind of apologetics that other faith systems have made in the past!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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