<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" > <channel><title>Comments on: Natural Good, Chemical Bad &#8211; Right?</title> <atom:link href="http://brainblogger.com/2009/07/09/natural-good-chemical-bad-right/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://brainblogger.com/2009/07/09/natural-good-chemical-bad-right/</link> <description>Topics from multidimensional biopsychosocial perspectives.</description> <lastBuildDate>Sun, 21 Mar 2010 18:01:13 +0000</lastBuildDate> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2</generator> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>By: Holistic Healing</title><link>http://brainblogger.com/2009/07/09/natural-good-chemical-bad-right/#comment-560133</link> <dc:creator>Holistic Healing</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 20:47:52 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://brainblogger.com/?p=3005#comment-560133</guid> <description>&lt;strong&gt;Carnival of Healing #199...&lt;/strong&gt;Welcome to the 199th edition of the Carnival of Healing. The carnival is a weekly round-up of blogs across the Internet featuring information about healing, self empowerment, and spirituality.Without any further wait, let&#8217;s start clicking ...</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Carnival of Healing #199&#8230;</strong></p><p>Welcome to the 199th edition of the Carnival of Healing. The carnival is a weekly round-up of blogs across the Internet featuring information about healing, self empowerment, and spirituality.</p><p>Without any further wait, let&#8217;s start clicking &#8230;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Helene</title><link>http://brainblogger.com/2009/07/09/natural-good-chemical-bad-right/#comment-556042</link> <dc:creator>Helene</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 07:23:59 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://brainblogger.com/?p=3005#comment-556042</guid> <description>Great article and an interesting perspective on natural vs. synthetic.  Thanks for your contribution to Take Charge of Your Health Care Carnival.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article and an interesting perspective on natural vs. synthetic.  Thanks for your contribution to Take Charge of Your Health Care Carnival.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Julie S</title><link>http://brainblogger.com/2009/07/09/natural-good-chemical-bad-right/#comment-555978</link> <dc:creator>Julie S</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 20:48:24 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://brainblogger.com/?p=3005#comment-555978</guid> <description>This is an interesting article with some valid points.  Its true, the terms &quot;natural&quot; and &quot;organic&quot; are becoming very pervasive and in my opinion, becoming a marketing tool to command premium pricing.  However, one distinction that was not raised in the article is the difference between natural/naturopathic vs conventional approaches to medicine.    In my experience, naturopathic physicians try to focus on the underlying core elements of the illness and then use the body’s own tools to help the healing process.  When I’ve gone to conventional doctors, they always have a pre-determined solution to my problem, which is some sort of pharmaceutical.  Just because people exhibit similar symptoms doesn’t necessarily mean the root cause or the solution should be identical.    I believe naturopathic medicine is more “natural” because it’s an individualized tailored solution geared at stimulating the bodies own defenses.  For those new to naturopathic medicine, I’d recommend going to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ndselect.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;www.ndselect.com&lt;/a&gt; which has some useful info.  That’s my two cents worth.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an interesting article with some valid points.  Its true, the terms &#8220;natural&#8221; and &#8220;organic&#8221; are becoming very pervasive and in my opinion, becoming a marketing tool to command premium pricing.  However, one distinction that was not raised in the article is the difference between natural/naturopathic vs conventional approaches to medicine.    In my experience, naturopathic physicians try to focus on the underlying core elements of the illness and then use the body’s own tools to help the healing process.  When I’ve gone to conventional doctors, they always have a pre-determined solution to my problem, which is some sort of pharmaceutical.  Just because people exhibit similar symptoms doesn’t necessarily mean the root cause or the solution should be identical.    I believe naturopathic medicine is more “natural” because it’s an individualized tailored solution geared at stimulating the bodies own defenses.  For those new to naturopathic medicine, I’d recommend going to <a href="http://www.ndselect.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.ndselect.com</a> which has some useful info.  That’s my two cents worth.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Christopher X. Gerber</title><link>http://brainblogger.com/2009/07/09/natural-good-chemical-bad-right/#comment-555644</link> <dc:creator>Christopher X. Gerber</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 07:54:28 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://brainblogger.com/?p=3005#comment-555644</guid> <description>Hi, good post. I completely agree that the association of natural with good and &quot;chemical&quot; with bad is a crazy dualism that should be put to bed. The thing about the real world (opposite reductionist science) is that things rarely fit nicely into exactly two categories.Despite this, I still have this idea that natural is better than artificial, but of course a claim like this has a lot to do with the definition of &quot;better&quot;. In terms of lifespan? Happiness? Disease? These are all different fields in which to independently analyze the natural vs. &quot;chemical&quot; dualism.At the end, instead of debating which side is better, I wonder if we might see the benefits of both.Also, the book titled &quot;In Defense of Food&quot; is a great read for anyone interested in the history and present state of food in the West, and pays specific attention to the effects of &quot;chemicals&quot; in our daily diet.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, good post. I completely agree that the association of natural with good and &#8220;chemical&#8221; with bad is a crazy dualism that should be put to bed. The thing about the real world (opposite reductionist science) is that things rarely fit nicely into exactly two categories.</p><p>Despite this, I still have this idea that natural is better than artificial, but of course a claim like this has a lot to do with the definition of &#8220;better&#8221;. In terms of lifespan? Happiness? Disease? These are all different fields in which to independently analyze the natural vs. &#8220;chemical&#8221; dualism.</p><p>At the end, instead of debating which side is better, I wonder if we might see the benefits of both.</p><p>Also, the book titled &#8220;In Defense of Food&#8221; is a great read for anyone interested in the history and present state of food in the West, and pays specific attention to the effects of &#8220;chemicals&#8221; in our daily diet.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Arthy Vijayaraghavan</title><link>http://brainblogger.com/2009/07/09/natural-good-chemical-bad-right/#comment-555573</link> <dc:creator>Arthy Vijayaraghavan</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 05:44:59 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://brainblogger.com/?p=3005#comment-555573</guid> <description>I do agree that when we analyze a so-called natural product like banana we might end up writing a very lengthy list of chemicals. So, drawing a line between natural and chemical is tough or almost impossible.But I think we can clearly draw a line between natural &amp; artificial. Cant we? So in that angle, I would like to really know, if we synthesize all the chemicals which is there in a naturally grown banana and if we artificially create a banana, will it be as good as the naturally grown banana and also without any other side effects? I mean, will it be just the same as the naturally grown banana?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do agree that when we analyze a so-called natural product like banana we might end up writing a very lengthy list of chemicals.<br /> So, drawing a line between natural and chemical is tough or almost impossible.</p><p>But I think we can clearly draw a line between natural &amp; artificial. Cant we? So in that angle, I would like to really know, if we synthesize all the chemicals which is there in a naturally grown banana and if we artificially create a banana, will it be as good as the naturally grown banana and also without any other side effects? I mean, will it be just the same as the naturally grown banana?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Cezar</title><link>http://brainblogger.com/2009/07/09/natural-good-chemical-bad-right/#comment-554984</link> <dc:creator>Cezar</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 15:26:35 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://brainblogger.com/?p=3005#comment-554984</guid> <description>Prejudice, ignorance and marketing BS aside, I&#039;d say there&#039;s a higher probability for toxicity and unknown effects (short-, long-term) for a synthetic compound than for a substance produced and used by a living cell (for a positive outcome that is:) ). On the other hand, I guess it&#039;s theoretically easier to research the effects of a single novel compound. I have little prejudice on the matter, I&#039;d take anything with solid research behind it and enough human experimentation (ie many people taking it for a reasonable amount of time, as close as possible to my potential life span). Under a veil of ignorance though, i&#039;d rather ingest what my family tree did than whatever the doctor ordered. I think most of the prejudice is because healthcare providers are unfortunately human too and thus under the occasional suspicion of ignorance and biased reasoning. Desperate parents aside lol.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prejudice, ignorance and marketing BS aside, I&#8217;d say there&#8217;s a higher probability for toxicity and unknown effects (short-, long-term) for a synthetic compound than for a substance produced and used by a living cell (for a positive outcome that is:) ). On the other hand, I guess it&#8217;s theoretically easier to research the effects of a single novel compound. I have little prejudice on the matter, I&#8217;d take anything with solid research behind it and enough human experimentation (ie many people taking it for a reasonable amount of time, as close as possible to my potential life span). Under a veil of ignorance though, i&#8217;d rather ingest what my family tree did than whatever the doctor ordered. I think most of the prejudice is because healthcare providers are unfortunately human too and thus under the occasional suspicion of ignorance and biased reasoning. Desperate parents aside lol.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: au naturale &#8250; nemski</title><link>http://brainblogger.com/2009/07/09/natural-good-chemical-bad-right/#comment-554066</link> <dc:creator>au naturale &#8250; nemski</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 12:24:39 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://brainblogger.com/?p=3005#comment-554066</guid> <description>[...] at Brain Blogger, Rachel Danks writes about our obsession about natural versus chemical? &#8212; that nature is inherently better. I am not arguing that natural is bad; I am simply saying [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] at Brain Blogger, Rachel Danks writes about our obsession about natural versus chemical? &#8212; that nature is inherently better. I am not arguing that natural is bad; I am simply saying [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Murfomurf</title><link>http://brainblogger.com/2009/07/09/natural-good-chemical-bad-right/#comment-553325</link> <dc:creator>Murfomurf</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 13:30:32 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://brainblogger.com/?p=3005#comment-553325</guid> <description>A parent of an autistic youngster advocating banning vaccinations and using &quot;chelation therapy&quot; for leaching &quot;toxins&quot; from the body, informed me that iron isn&#039;t a &quot;chemical&quot; because it is a &quot;natural&quot; part of the blood! OMG- I sometimes nearly tear my hair out at the alternative usages of &quot;organic&quot;, &quot;natural&quot;, &quot;chemical&quot; and &quot;de-tox&quot;. Argghh!!!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A parent of an autistic youngster advocating banning vaccinations and using &#8220;chelation therapy&#8221; for leaching &#8220;toxins&#8221; from the body, informed me that iron isn&#8217;t a &#8220;chemical&#8221; because it is a &#8220;natural&#8221; part of the blood! OMG- I sometimes nearly tear my hair out at the alternative usages of &#8220;organic&#8221;, &#8220;natural&#8221;, &#8220;chemical&#8221; and &#8220;de-tox&#8221;. Argghh!!!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Weathering a Storm &#171; musings</title><link>http://brainblogger.com/2009/07/09/natural-good-chemical-bad-right/#comment-552014</link> <dc:creator>Weathering a Storm &#171; musings</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 17:39:56 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://brainblogger.com/?p=3005#comment-552014</guid> <description>[...] post at Brain Blogger, Natural Good, Chemical Bad &#8211; Right?, is an interesting read in and of itself. It was a link provided within the first comment, however, [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] post at Brain Blogger, Natural Good, Chemical Bad &#8211; Right?, is an interesting read in and of itself. It was a link provided within the first comment, however, [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Shaheen E Lakhan, MS, MEd, PhD</title><link>http://brainblogger.com/2009/07/09/natural-good-chemical-bad-right/#comment-551994</link> <dc:creator>Shaheen E Lakhan, MS, MEd, PhD</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:41:54 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://brainblogger.com/?p=3005#comment-551994</guid> <description>Dear Erin,There are several issues with your argument against conventional pharmacotherapeutics that I must briefly shed light on. First, the morbidity/mortality that you attribute to acetaminophen (Tylenol) is largely related to toxic-dose ingestion. This can occur with &quot;natural&quot; compounds as well, and it surely does. Take, for instance, hepatotoxicity (liver-damage) associated with kava. Also, you can find a table that lists supplements, toxic doses, and symptoms of toxicity/side-effects &lt;a href=&quot;http://1stholistic.com/Nutrition/hol_nutr-toxic-dosages.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;blockquote&gt;I wonder what the regulatory agencies would do if a supplement were to kill 450 people a year?&lt;/blockquote&gt;Second, given the minimal regulation of supplements, your question cannot be addressed. If quality data has not been collected, then you are arguing a moot point. The&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fda.gov/Food/DietarySupplements/ConsumerInformation/ucm110417.htm#regulate&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; FDA&lt;/a&gt; specifically says,&lt;blockquote&gt;...manufacturers do not need to register themselves nor their dietary supplement products with FDA before producing or selling them. Currently, there are no FDA regulations that are specific to dietary supplements that establish a minimum standard of practice for manufacturing dietary supplements.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Lastly, congratulations on giving natural birth to your child &quot;in a pool,&quot; but I wouldn&#039;t advertise that alternative to everyone. After you see a just as single neonatal resuscitation by a qualified neonatologist or massive maternal hemorrhage hemostatis (bleeding control) by an obstetrician, perhaps you&#039;d think twice about water births.Thanks for your input!Sincerely, Shaheen</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Erin,</p><p>There are several issues with your argument against conventional pharmacotherapeutics that I must briefly shed light on. First, the morbidity/mortality that you attribute to acetaminophen (Tylenol) is largely related to toxic-dose ingestion. This can occur with &#8220;natural&#8221; compounds as well, and it surely does. Take, for instance, hepatotoxicity (liver-damage) associated with kava. Also, you can find a table that lists supplements, toxic doses, and symptoms of toxicity/side-effects <a href="http://1stholistic.com/Nutrition/hol_nutr-toxic-dosages.htm" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p><blockquote><p>I wonder what the regulatory agencies would do if a supplement were to kill 450 people a year?</p></blockquote><p>Second, given the minimal regulation of supplements, your question cannot be addressed. If quality data has not been collected, then you are arguing a moot point. The<a href="http://www.fda.gov/Food/DietarySupplements/ConsumerInformation/ucm110417.htm#regulate" rel="nofollow"> FDA</a> specifically says,</p><blockquote><p>&#8230;manufacturers do not need to register themselves nor their dietary supplement products with FDA before producing or selling them. Currently, there are no FDA regulations that are specific to dietary supplements that establish a minimum standard of practice for manufacturing dietary supplements.</p></blockquote><p>Lastly, congratulations on giving natural birth to your child &#8220;in a pool,&#8221; but I wouldn&#8217;t advertise that alternative to everyone. After you see a just as single neonatal resuscitation by a qualified neonatologist or massive maternal hemorrhage hemostatis (bleeding control) by an obstetrician, perhaps you&#8217;d think twice about water births.</p><p>Thanks for your input!</p><p>Sincerely,<br /> Shaheen</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Erin Raper</title><link>http://brainblogger.com/2009/07/09/natural-good-chemical-bad-right/#comment-551926</link> <dc:creator>Erin Raper</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:22:39 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://brainblogger.com/?p=3005#comment-551926</guid> <description>I consider myself a bit of a naturalist (had my son at home in a pool, rather than hospital) and there are certainly positive and negative sides to both natural and &quot;other&quot;.  &quot;Acetaminophen-containing products (Tylenol, Midol, Alka-Seltzer Plus, Vanquish, etc.) result in over 100,000 calls a year to poison control centers, 560,000 visits to emergency facilities, 260,000 hospitalizations, and 450 deaths. From 1996 to 1998 the average annual deaths directly attributed to acetaminophen averaged approximately 458. I wonder what the regulatory agencies would do if a supplement were to kill 450 people a year?&quot;[http://altmedangel.com/asthma.htm]Consider taking melatonin for insomnia instead of Ambien which includes side effects of &quot;sleep driving&quot; yeah, that&#039;s not dangerous! You just have to be an intelligent consumer and do your own research</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I consider myself a bit of a naturalist (had my son at home in a pool, rather than hospital) and there are certainly positive and negative sides to both natural and &#8220;other&#8221;.  &#8220;Acetaminophen-containing products (Tylenol, Midol, Alka-Seltzer Plus, Vanquish, etc.) result in over 100,000 calls a year to poison control centers, 560,000 visits to emergency facilities, 260,000 hospitalizations, and 450 deaths. From 1996 to 1998 the average annual deaths directly attributed to acetaminophen averaged approximately 458. I wonder what the regulatory agencies would do if a supplement were to kill 450 people a year?&#8221;</p><p>[http://altmedangel.com/asthma.htm]</p><p>Consider taking melatonin for insomnia instead of Ambien which includes side effects of &#8220;sleep driving&#8221; yeah, that&#8217;s not dangerous! You just have to be an intelligent consumer and do your own research</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Kierra</title><link>http://brainblogger.com/2009/07/09/natural-good-chemical-bad-right/#comment-551872</link> <dc:creator>Kierra</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:46:30 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://brainblogger.com/?p=3005#comment-551872</guid> <description>&quot;When herbs are used rather than the active agents extracted therefrom there are less side effects (presuming they are used correctly).&quot;While it&#039;s possible that the other ingredients can have a synergistic effect with the active chemical, it really depends on the herb/drug you are talking about.  Many times the active ingredient is purified out to get rid of unwanted side effects.Aspirin is a good example of this (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_aspirin), which was specifically designed to be a less irritating variant of salicylic acid, the active ingredient in willow bark.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;When herbs are used rather than the active agents extracted therefrom there are less side effects (presuming they are used correctly).&#8221;</p><p>While it&#8217;s possible that the other ingredients can have a synergistic effect with the active chemical, it really depends on the herb/drug you are talking about.  Many times the active ingredient is purified out to get rid of unwanted side effects.</p><p>Aspirin is a good example of this (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_aspirin), which was specifically designed to be a less irritating variant of salicylic acid, the active ingredient in willow bark.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: KnightBright</title><link>http://brainblogger.com/2009/07/09/natural-good-chemical-bad-right/#comment-551810</link> <dc:creator>KnightBright</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 01:25:39 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://brainblogger.com/?p=3005#comment-551810</guid> <description>Socrates died from a natural tea.  But he was killed by bad people.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Socrates died from a natural tea.  But he was killed by bad people.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Matthew</title><link>http://brainblogger.com/2009/07/09/natural-good-chemical-bad-right/#comment-551801</link> <dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 00:05:46 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://brainblogger.com/?p=3005#comment-551801</guid> <description>Evan,Cite, please.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evan,</p><p>Cite, please.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Evan</title><link>http://brainblogger.com/2009/07/09/natural-good-chemical-bad-right/#comment-551799</link> <dc:creator>Evan</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 00:00:18 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://brainblogger.com/?p=3005#comment-551799</guid> <description>When herbs are used rather than the active agents extracted therefrom there are less side effects (presuming they are used correctly).In this way &#039;natural&#039; is much better.  To put it less simplistically &#039;natural&#039; is to do with complexity and the reductionism of the chemical approach can lead to bad health outcomes.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When herbs are used rather than the active agents extracted therefrom there are less side effects (presuming they are used correctly).</p><p>In this way &#8216;natural&#8217; is much better.  To put it less simplistically &#8216;natural&#8217; is to do with complexity and the reductionism of the chemical approach can lead to bad health outcomes.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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