Comments on: Vaccines – A Two-Edged Sword /2008/06/30/vaccines-a-two-edged-sword/ Health and Science Blog Covering Brain Topics Sat, 29 Dec 2018 04:00:22 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.0.3 By: Mfitch /2008/06/30/vaccines-a-two-edged-sword/#comment-918767 Mon, 14 Jul 2014 15:35:52 +0000 /?p=1023#comment-918767 I notice a single-edged sword is used to illustrate this article about vaccines being a double-edged sword. Not an auspicious start.

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By: loulou82 /2008/06/30/vaccines-a-two-edged-sword/#comment-884490 Mon, 26 May 2014 17:19:00 +0000 /?p=1023#comment-884490 Wow, i actually thought this was a legit science site…instead it just regurgitates the uneducated, unverified Jenny McCarthy crap that is actually causing people to get sick and die from diseases that were practically eradicated. As someone with an infant, you people terrify and infuriate me.

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By: Autism – No Need For A Cure? | Brain Blogger /2008/06/30/vaccines-a-two-edged-sword/#comment-635759 Mon, 30 Apr 2012 04:05:15 +0000 /?p=1023#comment-635759 […] supporters are one-third of the argument. Another set of activists insists that toxins, mostly vaccines, cause autism and these poisons and pollutants should be removed from the environment to cure […]

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By: Annette Fiest at okpayit.com /2008/06/30/vaccines-a-two-edged-sword/#comment-630669 Mon, 02 Apr 2012 14:45:26 +0000 /?p=1023#comment-630669 I’m impressed, I must say. Seldom do I encounter a blog that’s both educative and entertaining, and let me tell you, you have hit the nail on the head. The issue is something which too few people are speaking intelligently about. Now i’m very happy I stumbled across this during my hunt for something relating to this.

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By: Journal Retracts Autism Research | Brain Blogger /2008/06/30/vaccines-a-two-edged-sword/#comment-598360 Mon, 05 Apr 2010 15:22:10 +0000 /?p=1023#comment-598360 […] (MMR) vaccine and autism. Almost immediately following publication, the rates of vaccination plummeted and the incidence of measles escalated among children. Since then, the subject has been the source […]

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By: shannon /2008/06/30/vaccines-a-two-edged-sword/#comment-598304 Fri, 26 Mar 2010 18:46:49 +0000 /?p=1023#comment-598304 i had a son that had received a fluzone flu shot in october 2005 and 11 days later he was diagnosed with aml leukemia before all of this he was a healthy child we have two other sons and we do not vaccinate any more because we believe that the flu shot had something to do with his aml leukemia

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By: marge semons /2008/06/30/vaccines-a-two-edged-sword/#comment-532960 Tue, 05 May 2009 00:04:41 +0000 /?p=1023#comment-532960 If I was a young mother I would wait until my children was two yrs old and then start the shots one at a time –I do think autism is cause by those shots with mercury link –what does it take for us to wake up and get smart about this–one of my good friends daughter baby died at one year I didnt say she died because of this–but I can think anything I want- maybe she was sick when they took her what I am saying I wouldnt give my children shots until after the second year. -they were great parents my heart goes out for parents who have lost a child and the doctors and hospitals they dont take responsibilities–they can only say the baby was sick and died not because of the shot but because of this and that.
I dont take the flu shot for the same reason I exercise and eat right and I do it the right way so I think–taking vitamins and only eating fish-chicken –fruit and veg–with yogert and I am never sick–dont forget to drink lots of water.–think postive and please think before you take shots.

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By: Herd Rebel /2008/06/30/vaccines-a-two-edged-sword/#comment-512182 Mon, 13 Apr 2009 11:41:12 +0000 /?p=1023#comment-512182 Hi Aaron, to address your last paragraph, I like you feel everyone as well has the right to choose what does or does not enter into their body. Smallpox was not eradicated via the smallpox vaccination. A recap into history divulges the fact that during the epidemics, the counties that used the vaccination had the highest fatalities, and those that either did not use, or discontinued the use of the vaccination, had the lowest fatalities.

Regarding trials, unless a vaccine (or drug) is fast-tracked (which is becoming popular), yes, trials do take place (numerous) – and as being one that received the criteria to participate in the study, I am sure you are well aware of the screening that takes place for an individual to participate in such study. The trials do not even get a snap shot of what could occur post licensure given different genetic make-ups and a population that is becoming more and more unhealthy (whether that be genetic or choice, take your pick). Once released in the market en masse, we again, have no true real numbers of adverse events to vaccinations given the passive surveillance system of VAERS. We also have no real knowledge of actual trial results given the over popular method of ghost-studies and manipulation of data. These two above factors have been hit on for years but seem to be making more headway in headlines as of the last couple months.

Regarding the flu – also, another recent study (just released last week), the flu vaccination does nothing for the elderly. Given that the number touted for years seems to fancy “36,000 deaths”, when one looks at the break-down they will see that yes, the majority of deaths occur in the elderly (less than 150 were for infants) but even taking all the above deaths, when you sort out those for “flu” and those for “pnemonia”, you will see that less than 500 were from the flu and the remaining were made up from the pnemonia category. Personally speaking, as one who’s received the flu vaccine a few times, I never had the flu when not taking the shot – I however had flu like symptoms for weeks when taking the shot; so in my estimate for me, the shot’s not worth it. Everyone is different, and should, as we both agree on, weigh their benefits/risks and come to their own conclusion. Personally, rather than tell anyone what I think they should or should not do in terms of vaccinating, I would advocate people to really start reading.

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By: Aaron /2008/06/30/vaccines-a-two-edged-sword/#comment-512090 Mon, 13 Apr 2009 07:37:59 +0000 /?p=1023#comment-512090 Firstly, from having just participated in a Stage 4 double blind clinical trial of the latest influenza vaccine. Double blind studies do exist.

Secondly, most vaccines available take 10-15yrs to reach the market and undergo numerous trials to determine toxicology and side effects. So in general they are suitable for the mass population. And yes as mentioned earlier vaccines aren’t perfect. One guy who was part of my trial group even had an anaphylaxis reaction to the vaccine. You could say that this is reason enough not to be vaccinated.

The real issue here is risk management, and to date the evidence points towards vaccinations as minimising fatalities. Even in the scenario above, while the subject suffered as a result of the vaccination he was in environment whereby his malady could be readily resolved. In contrast, had he not been vaccinated and later contracted the flu it would be up to his un-primed immune system alone to defend the attack. Now he probably would have been fine being a young healthy male, but an infant or an elderly person would have reacted quite differently (primarily due to weaker immune systems), possibly leading to death.

As a current biomedical science student & future I doctor I feel that vaccines are an important part of preventative medicine (e.g. smallpox has been virtually eradicated as a result of vaccines). As such, I would encourage people to get vaccinated. However, I also feel that each individual has the right to choose whether they are vaccinated or not, despite my inclinations towards vaccination.

Anyway just my 2cents.

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By: Anonymous /2008/06/30/vaccines-a-two-edged-sword/#comment-445889 Sat, 21 Feb 2009 03:11:42 +0000 /?p=1023#comment-445889 RR. You need to remember that there are various amounts of people. Those that go “all natural” not only don’t use deodorant or make up but they don’t shave. Some go to lesser extremes and buy organic (make up/deodorant and any other product that they can) – others whom cannot afford organic just try to reduce the toxins that they can (obviously knowing there’s nothing one can do about the air or their water.) So, let’s try to place it in perspective here.

The question in regards to toxins is their level of exposure. Baring again in mind that obviously man has created much more. What is the different amount in terms of absorbtion, ingestion, injection and inhalation? Can you tell me that? What is the different route of exposure each path takes to effect what particular organs? DNA? Immune system as a whole? Can you tell me that?

Now.. biological warfare… now you’re talking my interest!!! Do you have any idea how many biolabs have been created under the Bush administration which runs sly short of violating the bans treaty? Have any idea how many pathogens have escaped? Have any idea how they’re secure? Have any idea how you’re secure? Have any idea what genetic modification is doing? Before you start to pretend that you have any idea into the “anti vacc group” suggest that you get to understand what they know. Based on your opinion and your silly statement, that leads me to believe that the “anti vacc” is on the right track.

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By: R. R. /2008/06/30/vaccines-a-two-edged-sword/#comment-444587 Thu, 19 Feb 2009 22:05:12 +0000 /?p=1023#comment-444587 Not that I’m claiming that getting a fingertip chopped off is better than getting an arm chopped off(… On second thought I suppose I am), but I don’t get why people get so upset at any pathetically tiny amounts of mercury and aluminium in vaccines in the past, when most people still gleefully and vigorously rub their armpits with antiperspirants, eat tuna and the like. We’re subjected to a lot of toxins in amounts that actually matter. The average person has traces of 70+ different toxins in their body, IIRC. More than half of those didn’t exist or was less in the average human a few hundreds of years ago. (Not that people haven’t vigorously ingested or rubbed themselves with poisons thousands of years ago out of ignorance, e.g. mercury/lead paint)

In short: Hypocrisy. It’s like panicking about losing a few pennies while continuing to burn 100 dollar bills for no good reason.

Vaccines work excellently for the purpose they’ve been created, and they’re not particularly unnatural.
But then again, maybe I’m not giving people enough credit. Should I assume the anti-vaccine movement isn’t as ignorant as they keep pretending to be, but are in fact just pulling an intentional ruse in order to decrease the human population to a more sustainable level using more gruesome methods than just decreasing the amount of offspring born? Decreasing the herd immunity and increasing illnesses on top of the evolving bacteria as an alternative biological warfare against the human species?

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By: Herd Rebel /2008/06/30/vaccines-a-two-edged-sword/#comment-440679 Mon, 16 Feb 2009 18:51:42 +0000 /?p=1023#comment-440679 WEll, I don’t know Tyr, what did you think about the Poling ruling?

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By: Tyr /2008/06/30/vaccines-a-two-edged-sword/#comment-437545 Sat, 14 Feb 2009 06:52:27 +0000 /?p=1023#comment-437545 Or how about the recent court ruling today?? Even in there it was shown that Wakefield was wrong.

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By: Herd Rebel /2008/06/30/vaccines-a-two-edged-sword/#comment-432034 Mon, 09 Feb 2009 14:34:42 +0000 /?p=1023#comment-432034 It does?

Wakefield responded to Deer:
http://www.rescuepost.com/files/deer-response.pdf

Once again – yaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn……….

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By: Tyr /2008/06/30/vaccines-a-two-edged-sword/#comment-430979 Sun, 08 Feb 2009 12:13:29 +0000 /?p=1023#comment-430979 Article where Wakefield is shown to basically have completed fraud and worse. Teh onme study that launched the whole crazy and totally discredited idea is now blown apart even more.

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