Comments on: Doctors Going “Non-Par” - A New Trend in Medicine http://brainblogger.com/2008/04/26/going-non-par-a-new-trend-in-medicine/ Topics from multidimensional biopsychosocial perspectives. Fri, 05 Sep 2008 22:55:45 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: Sajid Surve, DO http://brainblogger.com/2008/04/26/going-non-par-a-new-trend-in-medicine/#comment-293072 Sajid Surve, DO Fri, 22 Aug 2008 23:10:27 +0000 http://brainblogger.com/?p=875#comment-293072 In Delaware County, PA where I was an intern, the insurance companies were ruthless in trying to play one doctor against another to cut reimbursements. The hardest hit were surgical specialties, like orthopedics. They would tell Doctor A that Doctor B down the street was willing to accept less for a procedure, and demand they lower their rates as well. Then they would go to Doctor C and say that Doctor A and B just approved a cut in their reimbursement, therefore Doctor C could either accept the new rate, or be kicked out of the plan. To fight back, all the orthopedic surgeons in the county joined together as one huge "group practice" with multiple satellites (i.e. their individual offices) Now if any patient in the county needed a procedure done, it had to be done by that group, since they were the only game in town. The insurance companies suddenly realized how much leverage the large group had, and magically reimbursement for procedures went back up again. It's sad that this is what physicians have to do just to make a living. I can't really blame my colleagues for going non-par when this is the kind of treatment they get for being a provider. In Delaware County, PA where I was an intern, the insurance companies were ruthless in trying to play one doctor against another to cut reimbursements. The hardest hit were surgical specialties, like orthopedics. They would tell Doctor A that Doctor B down the street was willing to accept less for a procedure, and demand they lower their rates as well. Then they would go to Doctor C and say that Doctor A and B just approved a cut in their reimbursement, therefore Doctor C could either accept the new rate, or be kicked out of the plan.

To fight back, all the orthopedic surgeons in the county joined together as one huge “group practice” with multiple satellites (i.e. their individual offices) Now if any patient in the county needed a procedure done, it had to be done by that group, since they were the only game in town. The insurance companies suddenly realized how much leverage the large group had, and magically reimbursement for procedures went back up again. It’s sad that this is what physicians have to do just to make a living. I can’t really blame my colleagues for going non-par when this is the kind of treatment they get for being a provider.

]]> By: Emmanuel L.R.Diaz,MD. http://brainblogger.com/2008/04/26/going-non-par-a-new-trend-in-medicine/#comment-271168 Emmanuel L.R.Diaz,MD. Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:47:38 +0000 http://brainblogger.com/?p=875#comment-271168 I totally agree with these article. As I was begining my practice as a doctor here in the Philippines I have worked with a HMO which pays me by the hour to see patients. I also get paid for procedures that I do on the patient. But to be honest I get paid for services after a month and payment is only aorund 30-40% of what I would charge if I did the procedures in my own clinic. A lot of doctors here have gone none par which is much better thing to do since doctors who do co-pay are given the silent disaffiliation treatment. silent disaffiliation means that doctors who charge extra are not referred any patients but are still considered as affiliates of the HMO. I agree that doctors are really bad business people primarily because we were not trained to be business people. I dont mind seeing 100 people a day but if 20-25 of them were paying and the rest were either "gratis" or insurance were would that leave me. I would most likely just be breakeven at the end of the month. In order to make insurance pay more i think that the various medical societies should work as a team in demanding fair and adequate payment. This is currently being done in the Philippines when the Society of neurologist requested all fellows not to accept referrrals from HMO's until a reasonable agreement regarding payments can be achieved. Sanctions of course were given to fellows who did not follow the societies request. At present both the society and the HMO are sitting down and discussing agreeable payment schemes for both parties. Most of the neurologist now are making good money (i guess) since most of their patient are paying patients and they get the payments on time. I totally agree with these article. As I was begining my practice as a doctor here in the Philippines I have worked with a HMO which pays me by the hour to see patients. I also get paid for procedures that I do on the patient. But to be honest I get paid for services after a month and payment is only aorund 30-40% of what I would charge if I did the procedures in my own clinic. A lot of doctors here have gone none par which is much better thing to do since doctors who do co-pay are given the silent disaffiliation treatment. silent disaffiliation means that doctors who charge extra are not referred any patients but are still considered as affiliates of the HMO. I agree that doctors are really bad business people primarily because we were not trained to be business people. I dont mind seeing 100 people a day but if 20-25 of them were paying and the rest were either “gratis” or insurance were would that leave me. I would most likely just be breakeven at the end of the month.
In order to make insurance pay more i think that the various medical societies should work as a team in demanding fair and adequate payment. This is currently being done in the Philippines when the Society of neurologist requested all fellows not to accept referrrals from HMO’s until a reasonable agreement regarding payments can be achieved. Sanctions of course were given to fellows who did not follow the societies request. At present both the society and the HMO are sitting down and discussing agreeable payment schemes for both parties. Most of the neurologist now are making good money (i guess) since most of their patient are paying patients and they get the payments on time.

]]> By: Jennifer http://brainblogger.com/2008/04/26/going-non-par-a-new-trend-in-medicine/#comment-156122 Jennifer Sat, 26 Apr 2008 17:27:11 +0000 http://brainblogger.com/?p=875#comment-156122 My gynecologist of many years did that recently. I don't have a problem with it. He bills my insurance company as a courtesy and applies any payments to my account, but I'm responsible. The other day he avoided doing a test to save me money, because he felt it wasn't necessary. Would he have done it if Blue Cross was paying? Not sure... My gynecologist of many years did that recently. I don’t have a problem with it. He bills my insurance company as a courtesy and applies any payments to my account, but I’m responsible. The other day he avoided doing a test to save me money, because he felt it wasn’t necessary. Would he have done it if Blue Cross was paying? Not sure…

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